Message from @raspberry

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2019-07-05 17:59:08 UTC  

That’s why weight changes but the amount of matter doesn’t

2019-07-05 18:24:46 UTC  

pressure is defined as force over an area

2019-07-05 18:25:00 UTC  

if you believe Newton's laws, weight is a force.

2019-07-05 18:25:12 UTC  

definition of weight found in introductory physics textbooks defines weight as the force exerted on a body by gravity

2019-07-05 18:26:05 UTC  

also to increase your weight you need an increase in matter

2019-07-05 18:27:13 UTC  

both points you stated I believe are false

2019-07-05 18:28:26 UTC  

Idk how people talk about Archimedes principal when it is defined in terms of weight, and weight is itself a force

2019-07-05 18:28:50 UTC  

Archimedes' principle states that the upward buoyant force that is exerted on a body immersed in a fluid, whether fully or partially submerged, is equal to the weight of the fluid that the body displaces and acts in the upward direction at the center of mass of the displaced fluid.

2019-07-05 18:28:51 UTC  

a simple experiment in a centrifuge will show applying more force will cause a solution of solvents of different densities to separate faster

2019-07-05 18:29:06 UTC  

🤷

2019-07-05 18:29:30 UTC  

showing how Archimedes principal requires a force to actually work

2019-07-05 18:30:32 UTC  

I'm sure you could design some free fall experiments with rapidly sedimenting objects in a solution to show this, but it should be obvious. In free fall the solution will kind of just fall and wobble about all at the same rate, not separating

2019-07-05 20:21:12 UTC  

@Fran it requires downwards acceleration

2019-07-05 20:21:21 UTC  

or any acceleration, as your centrifuge shows

2019-07-05 20:24:47 UTC  

and you can define a force for any movement

2019-07-05 20:25:12 UTC  

but it doesn't require the theory of gravity

2019-07-05 20:35:51 UTC  

@raspberry yes and I have heard people say gravity can instead be explained by Archimedes principal which I was trying to show as not really making sense

2019-07-05 20:38:21 UTC  

@Fran @Wendigo sure, i think buoyancy is an effect of things falling. not a cause

2019-07-05 20:38:35 UTC  

but, just saying, you don't need gravity to have the fact that things fall

2019-07-05 20:41:39 UTC  

hm? that sounds like 2nd law of thermodynamics, instead of buoyancy

2019-07-05 20:44:44 UTC  

well they are related

2019-07-05 20:47:02 UTC  

ok now i think i see what you're saying. the pressure gradient of earth's atmosphere, i think that'd be a result of buoyancy bork

2019-07-05 20:49:10 UTC  

i guess things fall, then that causes buoyancy and the atmosphere's pressure gradient, and all wheter or not there's a globe and gravity

2019-07-05 20:53:56 UTC  

most people say buoyancy completely ignoring the pretty much indisputable fact that buoyancy acts under the assumption of a force

2019-07-05 20:54:46 UTC  

@raspberry What does buoyancy have to do with increasing entropy?

2019-07-05 20:54:51 UTC  

^

2019-07-05 20:54:54 UTC  

^^

2019-07-05 20:55:02 UTC  

What cat said

2019-07-05 20:55:19 UTC  

one person told me we could also be spinning in a circle and gravity is actually a mix of gravity and acceleration from centripetal force

2019-07-05 20:55:32 UTC  
2019-07-05 20:55:45 UTC  

the acceleration change would near match that of gravity

2019-07-05 20:55:58 UTC  

@the21cat in globe earth centripetal force is a real thing

2019-07-05 20:56:00 UTC  

like up at mt everest

2019-07-05 20:56:30 UTC  

you guys steadily coming over to the dark side, huh? yup, there's actual debates to be had here.

2019-07-05 20:56:33 UTC  

yeah but im saying the one person said the whole earth is flat and spinning about a point really fast

2019-07-05 20:57:51 UTC  

they probably just claim it doesn't exist.

2019-07-05 20:58:02 UTC  

as radius (height increases) decreases force actually decreases

2019-07-05 20:58:10 UTC  

they do undeniably

2019-07-05 20:58:11 UTC  

I like arguing just about Newton's laws...

2019-07-05 20:58:24 UTC  

like usually people will say something contradictory to them