Message from @grvgrl
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it's awful
!mute @Euclid because f*&^ you, that's why
jk XD
based
the earth isnt flat.
How can the earth be flat if you can't look 100km to the opposite site of a sea?
exactly! it's a box!
A box has 6 sides. If you believe that the earth has a periphery of 40,000 km at the equator, each of the 4 sides that are inline, is 10,000 km long. So that doesn't make any sense.
if the earth is flat, and the sun is close to earth, it should be relatively easy to draw a triangle linking the sun, the east and west coast
So you mean that there wouldn't be (many) time zones most of the time? If that's what you mean, I agree.
i don't care about time zones, i care about triangles
I would very much like it if someone could explain how the sun could work on a flat earth
We can make proper triangles at a spheriod earth too, the only difference is the base line, which would go through the earth.
But the angles of those triangles would be quite differnet
No, the won't. Imagine a line on which you put a isosceles triangle (with the same angles at the bottom). Now imagine that the line curves, but the points of contact stay the same.
Wait, where are these points exactly? Because I was imagining two points on the surface of the Earth some finite distance apart, with the third point being the sun
That's right, I could explain it way better with a picture, but that isn't possible, right?
I understand what you're saying about the isosceles triangle, but there are a few problems. The most important of which is that the angle that you're measuring has to be with respect to the surface of the Earth on both models. On the flat model, the norm of the surface is always in one direction. In the globe model, the norm changes depending on where you are
I also wish I could use some pictures to explain, but I'm very new to discord, so I have no idea about any of that 😦
In this case it's not Discord, I think we have to debate more to get the option to send pictures.
That's alright. We both understand that the earth is a sphere, so I trust us both to understand how triangles work
Definetely
i know we can make a triangle on a globe earth, it's how we first calculated the distance to the sun, but a near sun on a flat earth will not produce the same angles as a distant sun on a globe earth
since they are different triangles
That's for sure, but that has more to do with the position of the sun than the shape of the earth.
ok but one of the postulates of most FE is that the sun is very close
Yeah, I forgot about that
also, if the sun is very far away, why can we see it but we can only see a limited distance on a flat disc?
if the sun is actually very distant, is there still a dome? does that dome cover everything including the sun?
if not, what else is beyond the dome?
I don't know to whom you're asking this questions?
and if there is no dome but a distant sun, then are there also other planets? are they also flat?
i'm telling you why a close sun is actually very important to FE
Ah, allright
So they think that a sun, larger than the earth (although not as large as the sun is, according to NASA) , is inside a type of atmosphere?
usually, the common answer is that the sun and moon are the same size, smaller than earth, and very close to earth (though not close enough to reach by plane)
the ones who believe in a dome often believe that the sun and moon are part of the dome itself or just very close to the dome.
and they believe that they are both self luminescent (the moon doesn't reflect the light from the sun)
and that the moon sends off cooling light
But the sun (for 90% sure) can't be smaller than the earth. It would just have been burnt-out.
They don't think it's a ball of gas. I don't think they have a consensus on what it is, exactly, just that it *isn't* what mainstream science says it is.
The sun on flat earth geometrically has to be around 35 km in diameter