right.

"it LOOKS flat, therefore it MUST be flat"

If you call the scientific method a trap, okay then.

I've been to many countries and to the middle of the ocean and seen only flat.

we're just starting with the basic steps of the scientific method. OBSERVATION is the first thing you do

My exact experience tells me it's flat

My mind agrees with my senses

so you're basing your beliefs on your own perceptions

Your mind does not

and pre-suppositions

**Experience**

yes. yours on the other hand are based on religious belief

faith in the globe

Not perception

Ah, so therefore, nothing truly exists

Atoms do not exist because you never experience them?

That's not at all what I'm arguing

Yes it is

Why are you trying to link the two?

Is not

you argued that "It's what I perceive, therefore it's true"

I would appreciate it if you stopped presuming things of me

I never said that

"I do not perceive or experience the curve, therefore the curve does not exist"

Stop

Now

Never said that

yes you did

Post it

Now

Or you're gone

we haven't even gotten there yet. we're just starting with what is observed, and you simply can't be intellectually honest and admit it's flat

"My exact experience tells me it's flat
My mind agrees with my senses"

I will not tolerate lies

you said it, not me

And you used the word perceived

so you're basing your reality only on what you can experience and perceive

Which I did not

by your own logic, things you do not experience, cannot exist.

You're basing your reality on something you cannot replicate and see for yourself

observably flat does not mean it's flat. it just means that's what we observe in our day-to-day. if you want to get to the meat of it that's ok but you're not accepting the basic premise that it looks flat yet you think it's a sphere