please note though, that wine used to be much weaker back then

you’re wrong bro, its not what you partake, its how you partake. dedicate it to god, don’t do so much that you become drunk, and its fine. this is coming from someone who doesn’t drink or smoke, i have researched this

I mean using the bible to justify drinking wine is kinda a stretch isn't it?

i think he's justifying moderation.

yeah basically

I'm talking about drinking wine in general

drinking wine in itself isn't evil.

I just posted like 5 verses that justify moderation specifically, just sayin

I know drinking wine is fine at least bibically but I still won't partake in any type of drinking

thats fine

we never said you have to

neither do I unless I’m offered wine at dinner, its impolite to reject what is offered

pretty much

Are any debates going on now?

Respectful dialogue atm.

So, back to the start. Is smoking weed a sin?

Yes

yeah.

I think

I'm pretty sure it falls under some type of religious-no nos

sometimes in the bible, the word sorcerer is connotative of drug user

old english.

seems like a stretch to me

I find that if a person uses it the same way they would a glass of wine, thankful for it, I would not want them to feel guilty for it. And yes, sorcerers often use drugs. But we are talking about a plant.

there are translations i have read that back my claim

It's not the fact that it's a plant but you can do something with that plant which alters how you are thinking isn't that what Bibleman was expressing earlier?

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find the original words used in greek or hebrew if you have confusion, translations are often innaccurate. i’m willing to hear your arguments, i have no personal stake in this

You got it, Z.

Wait so

why would God make the marijuana plant if he considers it a sin

welp im not gonna go further unless we move it to religious discussion

theres nothing specific about the plant in the bible, nor does it say you cannot “alter your mind” thats a stretch from a single verse, just sayin. not the first time christians have gotten unnecessarily militant about something with shaky justifications 😑

Seed bearing plant

Weed is fair game

What about Mushrooms?

They spread plenty of seed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iTb0ta5_84&t=1s

the term is spores

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-06-19-dad-begs-for-his-babys-life-as-mom-goes-in-for-abortion.html