Message from @Morning Dew
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SHEEPLE has a vid of a laser going upwards yes
bending
yes
That's why general relativity (our theory of gravity) has been experimentally shown to be consistent and mirror reality
It may not be the only way, but its shown to be consistent and able to predict phenomena with precision
perfect example, roche, of a math problem that works but is unrelated to reality. Again, @Shadow✓, that does not prove it is the only explanation.
Therefore it can accurately reflect reality and has been shown to
I never said it's the "only" explanation, I said it's an explanation we use because it's consistent with reality. Thus why it's still a modern theory.
i think those demonstrations also rely on a lot of trust in authority rather than direct observation shadow
I’m scared
@raspberry you mean the predictions?
yes
people will say the exact same things about “standard refraction” even though it is ridiculous and unproven through experimentation. Your math may or may not explain reality. it may merely correlate with reality. THEREFORE, there could be another explanation that works on a flat earth, THEREFORE gravity could work on a flat earth, THEREFORE it does not prove what you think it proves. Now go ahead and shift the goalpost again
well the fact that the predictions match reality at least
There's gravitational redshifting, gravitational lensing, and gravitational time dialation
redshifting and time dilation are usually just done assuming GR is true, they don't prove it
None really require an appeal to authority since they're all involved with a profession that you can achieve and do a direct observation or measurement yourself.
lensing is supposed to be a proof but... have you ever seen that happen?
maybe we can check during the next total solar eclipse like einstein did
but, i feel like there'd be a more practical way to demonstrate curvature, if it existed
gravity does not prove what you implied it proved, as I have have just socratically proven. by all means though, continue stroking your ego
it is a very good theory that correlates with reality, congratulations
i hope you got an A in physics
probably didn’t have the same luck in english
@Morning Dew but the explanation that could work on a flat earth isn't gravity. That's my point. You're trying to use a specific theory and say it's the same as a completely different one that would need different rules and properties. And no gravity still doesn't work on a flat earth, you're literally claiming that a completely changed version of the theory in the globe model is the exact same as the original, it's like saying newtonian gravity is the exact same as general relativity.
@raspberry curvature of spacetime?
i meant of the earth lol, but that too
both i guess
I'm not really talking about earth though
as you have claimed yourself, it is a phenomenon. A phenomenon you have CORRELATED with an equation. It does not prove that it is the only equation that can correlate with that phenomenon. emphatically, it does not prove that the Earth is round. that is called a socratic proof, consider taking philosophy and learning about truth tables, or keep rephrasing what you have already said, feel free to do it again, i grow bored of this since my ego is detached from this pointless discussion of semantics
i figure we got into gravity because of globe vs fe, but, same for gravity too i guess
in any case, still waiting for you to prove your “standard refraction” with an experiment
What's standard refraction
A common measure of refraction is the coefficient of refraction. ... One is the ratio of the radius of the Earth to the radius of the line of sight, the other is the ratio of the angle that the line of sight subtends at the center of the Earth to the angle of refraction measured at the observer.
is that it
@mineyful a convenient excuse
doesn't sound like a real term
Refraction is the bending of light as it passes from one substance to another. Here, the light ray passes from air to glass and back to air. The bending is caused by the differences in density between the two substances.
@Morning Dew there isn't one equation to describe said phenomenon. I've identified a specific cause for said phenomenon rooted in mathematics, yes. But this specific cause also implies other consquences of itself that have turned into predictions of the model. These predictions have been experimentally observed and proven consistent with the original model. Therefore we have not only attributed a cause to the observation but made predictions that have been confirmed showing our model to be consistent with reality.
refraction ^
look at that, he really just rephrased the same thing again, and still doesn’t realize that it doesn’t prove his point. how unfortunate, socrates would be disappointed. good day sir