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2019-05-03 20:00:26 UTC [The Ice Wall #members-log]  

2019-05-03 20:01:04 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

What do u guys think about QM?

2019-05-03 20:01:09 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Or other physics

2019-05-03 20:06:00 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

You believe in the aether?

2019-05-03 20:07:06 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Prove it to me

2019-05-03 20:07:23 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Thought the aether has been a universally dead theory

2019-05-03 20:07:26 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Apparently not

2019-05-03 20:09:20 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

They're lorenz invariant

2019-05-03 20:09:40 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Unlike the luminafirous aether

2019-05-03 20:11:35 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Human Sheeple How does zero-point energy prove an aether?

2019-05-03 20:11:40 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

that's just QFT

2019-05-03 20:13:40 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

???

2019-05-03 20:15:16 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Human Sheeple demonstrating the fact that helium-4 cooled to temperatures close to absolute zero makes it have zero viscosity proves the aether in what way?

2019-05-03 20:15:39 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

And now you're posting completely irrelevant images with no meaning to your prior post

2019-05-03 20:15:57 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Zero-point energy is due to vacuum fluctuations governed by heisenberg's uncertainty principle

2019-05-03 20:16:55 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

🤔

2019-05-03 20:17:54 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Human Sheeple can I get an answer

2019-05-03 21:34:00 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@cocobanana lmao, "exposed"

2019-05-03 21:34:23 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Human Sheeple the aether and vacuum fluctuations are completely different concepts. To claim they're the same means you don't understand one or the other.

2019-05-03 21:36:04 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@cocobanana bud you clearly have no clue what I'm saying so stop interrupting the debate

2019-05-03 21:38:02 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Human Sheeple to propose that they're one and the same means you need a non-standard interpretation coupled with modern physics. The aether is usually associated with the luminafirous aether, which is not lorenz invariant.

2019-05-03 21:38:20 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  
2019-05-03 21:39:16 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Human Sheeple interesting, though the graviton is pure fantasy as of yet

2019-05-03 21:39:29 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

I disagree

2019-05-03 21:39:34 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

GR works perfectly well

2019-05-03 21:39:49 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

The only regime's where we require quantum gravity are where *both* GR and QM fail

2019-05-03 21:40:10 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

🤔

2019-05-03 21:40:44 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Human Sheeple elaborate

2019-05-03 21:40:51 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

You're reffering to einstein, no?

2019-05-03 21:48:59 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Human Sheeple is this idea similar to LET?

2019-05-03 21:50:27 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@L.O.X vacuum energy is a real thing that uses QFT

2019-05-03 21:51:05 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Human Sheeple is this lorentz ether theory?

2019-05-03 21:52:49 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Lorentz ether theory is ad hoc and makes the ether undetectable, SR is the better theory and LET has no actual proof

2019-05-03 22:09:47 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

QFT=/=aether

2019-05-04 17:46:32 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Human Sheeple Relativity is supported and proven in a multitude of ways

2019-05-04 17:46:38 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

And you never answered my aether question

2019-05-04 17:46:42 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Wonder why

2019-05-04 17:47:28 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Human Sheeple Can you show me definite proof of the aether?

2019-05-04 17:47:57 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Spacetime is the unification between three spatial and one temporal dimensions into a continuum.

2019-05-04 17:48:10 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Components of the stress-energy-momentum tensor can distort it in noticable ways.

2019-05-04 17:48:22 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Such as, gravity. Or gravitational time dialation.

2019-05-04 17:48:26 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Gravitational time dialation

2019-05-04 17:49:21 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Pound-rebka experiment @Human Sheeple

2019-05-04 17:50:24 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Hafele-Keating experiment @Human Sheeple

2019-05-04 17:53:01 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Human Sheeple gravitational time dialation, gravitational redshifts, gravitational lensing, tests of the equivalence principle, and more prove gravity.

2019-05-04 17:54:01 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Gravity has also been proven through a multitude of experiments in which a direct attraction has been measured.

2019-05-04 17:54:43 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

And now sheeple's gone 🤔

2019-05-04 17:55:59 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Human Sheeple I've layed out many proofs of gravity so I'll wait for you to show me why every single one is wrong. And then while you're at it go ahead and prove the reason as to why objects fall.

2019-07-02 18:31:02 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Gravity is proven by observation

2019-07-02 18:53:33 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@California Nightmare gravity has been proven before

2019-07-02 18:54:18 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

The mathematical model of general relativity describes gravity and explains its cause.

2019-07-02 18:54:30 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

To test this theory it makes predictions that we verify in observations and tests.

2019-07-02 18:54:36 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Here are proofs:

2019-07-02 18:54:57 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Gravitational time dialation, gravitational redshifting, gravitational lensing.

2019-07-02 18:55:24 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

All of these were predicted based upon GR's definition of gravity. And were experimentally verified.

2019-07-02 18:55:33 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Can your model account for any of these observations?

2019-07-02 18:56:46 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

... anymore gravity deniers?

2019-07-02 18:57:42 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Except I've already proven gravity, no need to fill out a chat particularly designed to be tedious

2019-07-02 18:57:53 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

The theory made predictions and those were verified

2019-07-02 18:58:11 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Without our definition of gravity how could you explain all those phenomena

2019-07-02 18:58:14 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Density?

2019-07-02 18:59:58 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Rudi we do now what it is

2019-07-02 19:00:13 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Gravity is simply the curvature of spacetime due to any nonzero value of the stress-energy tensor

2019-07-02 19:01:00 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Steve Angell atom inferometer, Schiehallion experiment

2019-07-02 19:01:52 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

...

2019-07-02 19:02:19 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

See, all the physicist who say that are likely talking about the issue of quantum gravity.

2019-07-02 19:02:41 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

But that's irrelevant to our discussion because of the fact that it only involves the case were gravity is non-renormalizable.

2019-07-02 19:03:16 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Gravity has a perfect defined cause and effect and it's explained via a theory that can make predictions of phenomena we should observe.

2019-07-02 19:03:28 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

We've observed such phenomena as direct results of gravity.

2019-07-02 19:03:44 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

And have even made predictions and measured reality and observations to show our initial theory was accurate.

2019-07-02 19:03:55 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

This is how general relativity was explicitly proven.

2019-07-02 19:04:07 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

And link/video spamming is extremely annoying to debate with.

2019-07-02 19:04:41 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Rudi gravitational time dialation, gravitational redshifting, gravitational lensing

2019-07-02 19:04:51 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Atom inferometer, Schiehallion experiment

2019-07-02 19:04:58 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Ample proof for you

2019-07-02 19:05:28 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Lmfao, I just named numerous proofs?

2019-07-02 19:05:34 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

You send me videos and expect me to watch

2019-07-02 19:05:46 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

I send you actual observation and expect you to at least research if you're unfamiliar

2019-07-02 19:06:18 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Gravitational time dialation- a measured time dialation due to the effects of the curvature of spacetime

2019-07-02 19:06:38 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Gravitational redshifting- the red and blue shifting of light as they exit or enter a gravitational well

2019-07-02 19:06:59 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Gravitational lensing- the bending of light due to gravitational effects

2019-07-02 19:07:07 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

All of these were predicted by general relativity

2019-07-02 19:07:12 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

All of these were observed

2019-07-02 19:07:55 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Rudi I'm providing proof, you're just denying it.

2019-07-02 19:08:17 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Tell me, does density predict this?

2019-07-02 19:08:27 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Can density explain all these observations

2019-07-02 19:10:50 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Rudi which gravity.

2019-07-02 19:11:07 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

And what aspect do you want proof for

2019-07-02 19:11:29 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Because I've shown multiple observations confirming general relativity

2019-07-02 19:11:46 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

You haven't responded to any thus far

2019-07-02 19:11:56 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Gravitational time dialation

2019-07-02 19:12:44 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Hafele–Keating experiment

2019-07-02 19:13:30 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@Rudi now show me why the experiment is wrong

2019-07-02 19:13:36 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

And show me how density explains the results

2019-07-02 19:13:38 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

I'll wait.

2019-07-02 19:14:47 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Denial tactics again?

2019-07-02 19:14:55 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Dodging too

2019-07-02 19:15:10 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

I just named an experiment

2019-07-02 19:15:29 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

And you then claimed that gravity can't be proven and refused to look at the experiment **you asked for**

2019-07-02 19:15:51 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Interesting debate tactics 🤔

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