@rivenator12113 Are you flat out denying that people in the southern hemisphere see a different set of stars rotating around a different center point?

There isn't one as useful and precise as the polaris

Polaris is always in the same location

South stars? Not so much

Polaris actually rotates a tiny bit too

It is not dead center

People polar align their southern hemisphere telescopes all the time. It is trickier,but it works just the same as in the north.

Polaris rotates a few degree back and forth but it will always stay in the same spot. It has been used since the greeks for travelling north

Sailors use the southern cross as well

It is one of the key constellations for orienting one's self in the southern latitudes

Is there a south star? Nope

Only a north star

It is like using the big dipper to find north when polaris is covered by a cloud

Is there a central point around which all southern stars rotate? The answer is YES.

Polaris was the pole star starting at about 300 AD

Prior was Kochab

@rivenator12113 If Polaris suddenly disappeared, but all stars and patterns remained the same, would it be impossible to navigate north?

*all "other" stars and patterns (I meant to say)

Yes, historical evidence shows that stars have moved, when comparing the earliest meticulous star charts

@rivenator12113 You can't see orion in your sky right now, but you could months ago. What does that tell you?

@zirpu You can see the polaris star everyday, what does that tell you?

That it is the star nearest to earths celestial pole

Polaris isnt even on the direct celestial pole

Earth rotates around the sun, what does that tell you?

The sky rotates equatorially. I think you need to research that a bit.

Sun moves in a direction what does that tell you?

Nothing in the sky contradicts with the heliocentric model. You aren't making sense.

So why can't you see orion anymore if we are on a flat earth?

Yes it does contradicts the heliocentric model, the earth rotating around the sun which moves in a direction can not work with polaris. Only way polaris can remain in the same spot for millenials is because earth is stationery

I don't really think it's worth your time to argue against the heliocentric model if you don't understand how it works.

What did I say wrong about the heliocentric model? Everything that I wrote is factual

"Only way polaris can remain in the same spot for millenials is because earth is stationery" This is false, it could also be because the star is far away.

Why do I always get the same NPC response, you globe earthers keep forgetting that earth is rotating on its own axis around the sun which moves in a straight path, we should never see the polaris star everyday within those conditions

Stars actual movement based on our movement through the galaxy is negligable because of the scale. Only star movement we see without careful observation is from earths rotation.

Because of the scale

Do you keep forgetting about your heliocentric model?

The farther something is the less you can see its movement in relation to yourself.

earth is rotating on its own axis around the sun which moves in a straight path, we should never see the polaris star everyday within those conditions

And its axis, tilt, points at polaris.