Message from @Yussuki ₪

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2020-09-22 20:35:31 UTC  

Shaming me worsen your situation. There have been 1763 recorded wars in history. You are not able to produce 1 single war between 2 democracies.

2020-09-22 20:36:10 UTC  

This is the 9th time you try to shame me. You are gealous cause I debunked your false arguments 😄

2020-09-22 20:36:16 UTC  

There have been 1763 recorded wars in history. You are not able to produce 1 single war between 2 democracies.

2020-09-22 20:36:17 UTC  

Ok ok ok. We get it man, you have that copy pasted. I gave you an example and you haven't done a very good job of explaining why it's not

2020-09-22 20:36:30 UTC  

@Yussuki ₪ Ecuador war vs Peru.

2020-09-22 20:37:08 UTC  

Ecuador 1995 and Peru 1995 were not 2 Democracies. They failed the minimal democratic criteria: Rule of Law, Power Separation, etc..above

2020-09-22 20:37:50 UTC  

You have yet to explain to me why Ecuador or Peumru weren't a democracies if they had separation of powers, elected representatives, etc

2020-09-22 20:38:20 UTC  

This is a better discussion to further the discussion.

2020-09-22 20:38:32 UTC  

Because Separation of Power / Rule of Law / VOTE / Antidiscrimination / Equality in law are the minimal requirements

2020-09-22 20:38:46 UTC  

Zino - who says these are the minimum requirements? Just asking

2020-09-22 20:39:03 UTC  

I could add more. Or take out one.

2020-09-22 20:39:06 UTC  

Not me. Transparency International / and the inventors of Democracy

2020-09-22 20:39:22 UTC  

HUMAN RIGHTS !!!

2020-09-22 20:39:31 UTC  

Ok - I’d like to see a document from transparency international that defines these as the minimum requirements for democracy?

2020-09-22 20:39:43 UTC  

Or ‘inventors of democracy’ whoever they are.

2020-09-22 20:39:44 UTC  

Peru's President pardoned convicted criminal abuse criminals. war criminals..

2020-09-22 20:40:19 UTC  

@Yussuki ₪ so whatever country violates human rights , they are not democracies?

2020-09-22 20:40:49 UTC  

I’m genuinely asking. And I’ll tell you why. Any theoretical ideas of governemnet or otherwise, they all seem to be open to redefine to prove any point.

2020-09-22 20:40:58 UTC  

@Yussuki ₪ stop making stuff up and actually give me something you believe in

2020-09-22 20:41:05 UTC  

I want us to be clear so the discussion can move forward.

2020-09-22 20:42:58 UTC  

@Légionnaire Étranger . You know what's funny? Even if you would be right (absurd as it seems) from 1700+ wars since the beginning of time..you can produce only 1 war between 2 democracies. (Ofc its not true, but lets just say you right, wouldnt you find it true that: "Democracies dont wage war against each other?") --- this was the initial discussion

2020-09-22 20:43:08 UTC  

Ok - so I quickly skimmed through it. Even by the articles own admission - it is easier to define what is not democratic than what is democracy.

2020-09-22 20:43:09 UTC  

Secondly

2020-09-22 20:43:39 UTC  

It talks about ideas of ‘more democratic’ and ‘less democratic’ so does not draw a line saying the 4 -5 things you stated as minimum requirements

2020-09-22 20:44:19 UTC  

No consensus exists on how to define democracy, but legal equality, political freedom and rule of law have been identified as important characteristics. These principles are reflected in all eligible citizens being equal before the law and having equal access to legislative processes. = wikipedia

2020-09-22 20:44:30 UTC  

The parameters you seem to be proposing as minimum requirements of democracy seem to be on the ‘more democratic’ side of things.

2020-09-22 20:44:46 UTC  

But definitely not minimum requirements

2020-09-22 20:45:25 UTC  

@Yussuki ₪ "no consensus exists on how to define democracy"

Also @Yussuki ₪ "that's not a democracy!"

Lol this guy is pretty funny

2020-09-22 20:45:30 UTC  

You need to have a Representative Parliament to be able to have a Democracy.

2020-09-22 20:45:31 UTC  

Well - you pointed to this article when I asked - so saying ‘ no consensus exists on how to define democracy’ ... you could’ve said that without making the claim that there are these set in stone minimum requirements 🙂

2020-09-22 20:45:46 UTC  

@Légionnaire Étranger you tripped on the first 2 rows. read more

2020-09-22 20:45:46 UTC  

And we would have agreed

2020-09-22 20:46:09 UTC  

> @Légionnaire Étranger . You know what's funny? Even if you would be right (absurd as it seems) from 1700+ wars since the beginning of time..you can produce only 1 war between 2 democracies. (Ofc its not true, but lets just say you right, wouldnt you find it true that: "Democracies dont wage war against each other?") --- this was the initial discussion
@Yussuki ₪
I'm glad you conceded. Fi ally some honesty.

2020-09-22 20:46:27 UTC  

No, I was making an argument. I debunked you 8 times.

2020-09-22 20:46:37 UTC  

@Yussuki ₪ funny man 😄

2020-09-22 20:46:47 UTC  

Stop with personal attack’s

2020-09-22 20:46:48 UTC  

"absurd it seems" -- you do cherry picking

2020-09-22 20:46:53 UTC  

Attacks*

2020-09-22 20:47:08 UTC  

you guys are big clowns

2020-09-22 20:47:08 UTC  

He mare me pathetic and dishonest 9+ times.