200k Americans died following the orders of their leaders. Trump is not your leader, you are. Your community is. Your mayor is. Your governor is.

Trump was following the guidelines of the CDC, for crying out loud.

So, yes people died. You blame who? I say that it’s up to each of us to take the risks we see fit.

If you think it’s worth killing me instead of letting me wear a mask, please try.

I blamed trump? Demonstrate

“Failing at controlling this” indicates they don’t know how to control it.

Yes, im blaming attitudes and non-scientific dogma of the people. Nino vitale, dr.buttar ... and the millions of shares, likes their videos get.

If I’m not wrong nino vitale holds some local public office. I could be wrong.

Masks on, bitches. ;)

Sexy. 😂

No point wearing masks, 5G causes it anyway. Y’know the 5G they haven’t even heard of in Bolivia n Bangladesh.

Stone to your earlier point about the cost of healthcare. The horrible way that America is right no, with lockdowns and such is a FEATURE of having a for profit healthcare system.

We could have avoided this lockdown, had Americans earlier in the nation's history had the forsight to not be incredibly fucking greedy.

Just got back from a walk, sorry I missed so much.

As far as the freedom thingy goes. JP is fully in the thralls of some libertarian hysteria. We must constantly redact our freedom in order to have a functioning society.

Hmm - I don’t understand your point about the healthcare system.

For profit institutions have a adopted a -just in time- production model. That means no stockpile and no waste. We had doctors and nurses reusing protective equipment between shifts due to shortages. Staff were exhausted because they were overworked, because the minimum amount of people working is the most profitable.

We had no spare beds, no spare wings or wards of hospitals dedicated to pandemics because maintaining those things would be unprofitable. So we had to lockdown to save lives.

Yep it’s our fault. I hear you. You’re stuck with us though. Or are you?

Our for profit healthcare system literally killed people.

(Re to stone cold from earlier. Phone died$

I see. @Malachi . Not sure if it’s just the healthcare system. I meant it’s a cost to the government or to the people, either way. I don’t think even if it was government controlled, they would constantly be wasting resources awaiting a day they might need them.

The case can be made that the inefficiencies inherent in a. Govt controlled healthcare system would not have the capacity or capability to respond to such a situation

Especially if people are allowed to say “no”

That is an important factor. I can solve so many more problems if I can force everyone into slavery or to act exactly as I want them to

But I can’t, I don’t want to, and I have to survive in this world of freedom just like anyone else.

Reciprocation is key to a civil society, that doesn’t mean we don’t have hierarchies, it just means “no” is uncomfortable, but not a death sentence

“No” can mean you don’t get a haircut. It can’t mean “we imprison you”

I can’t force you to give me a haircut and you can’t force me to wear a mask. It’s lovely

@StoneCold316 When I talk about changing the system, I wouldn't be advocating for a shittier system.

But if you think me not wearing a mask kills many, then you might feel just in killing me.

Admit it, is all.

@JPMcGlone What are you talking about?

Continuation of a conversation with stone earlier. The mask issue is beyond whether or not it scientifically works.

Well sure. But what is the mask issue about to you?

Control.

Mandating you wear a mask in public is....?

Yes. If I say “no” they don’t want to just deny me service (that’s reasonable) they want me@in jail

People have been arrested for hanging out in the park

Is it a public park?

What they’re telling us is “if we are afraid, we can spend your liberty instead of ours”

Do you think you should be able to walk nude in a public park?

I have conservative friends who choose to stay away from people. That’s totally fine

Indecency laws exist, at least in part, because it’s too hard to punish sex offenders in real time.

Wait, being naked is not a sex offense.

If you walk around naked and a sicko tries to rape you, the police need to get involved... so you can’t walk around naked. It’s preventative