It’s public policy - it’s not me taking your right. It ceases to be a case of individual liberty imo for reasons I have above. But still, I don’t believe in arbitrarily doing things. Public policy has to be informed. I’m not even supporting any form of forced mask wearing. I’m just stating the case can easily be made

People like me never would. We believe in reciprocation and consent.

We don’t make decisions on behalf of the collective

Lol- when do we not make decisions based on the collective?

U said on behalf of. My bad

We share information and we value the individuals freedom to choose. And we navigate within a world where people are choosing freely.

The few rights we will defend of is life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. And you’re willing to stomp all 3 of those if it makes you feel safe, you tyrant

False claim of what rights are being violated here. False conclusion

Your right to life ends when you infringe on mine. That’s the point

Very bad argument

Or you just don’t get it because you’re so full of yourself and how your life and liberties are effected by others living their life and exercising their liberties. Selfish.

I’m not even saying u shouldn’t let anyone take ur liberty. My first objection is the refusal to admit that masks help.

You can make the same type of arguments without being non-scientific

As hominems JP. Appeals to emotion. Shaming tactics. Please stop

If your argument is solid you don’t have to call names and do this.

In a free and reciprocal society, we navigate based on other people’s free choices. We defend freedom and life and liberty, but we do not spend others’. We spend our own, or we lobby for people to make these sacrifices, but we do not get to make these sacrifices for them.

In Animal Farm, you’d be one of the pigs.

Sigh. Sure. I sense bad faith here but I’m letting it go. And walking away.

It has to be said @StoneCold316 — it’s not ad hominem. It’s actually a statement of fact.

If you think my liberty is yours to spend, you are a tyrant. Definitionally; please tell me how that’s wrong.

You keep asserting that. It’s evident you don’t even want to understand the viewpoint.

But it’s ok. 200k Americans have died ;the epitome of development and scientifically forward country... failing so miserably at controlling this... it’s no wonder to me now.

200k Americans died following the orders of their leaders. Trump is not your leader, you are. Your community is. Your mayor is. Your governor is.

Trump was following the guidelines of the CDC, for crying out loud.

So, yes people died. You blame who? I say that it’s up to each of us to take the risks we see fit.

If you think it’s worth killing me instead of letting me wear a mask, please try.

I blamed trump? Demonstrate

“Failing at controlling this” indicates they don’t know how to control it.

Yes, im blaming attitudes and non-scientific dogma of the people. Nino vitale, dr.buttar ... and the millions of shares, likes their videos get.

If I’m not wrong nino vitale holds some local public office. I could be wrong.

Masks on, bitches. ;)

Sexy. 😂

No point wearing masks, 5G causes it anyway. Y’know the 5G they haven’t even heard of in Bolivia n Bangladesh.

Stone to your earlier point about the cost of healthcare. The horrible way that America is right no, with lockdowns and such is a FEATURE of having a for profit healthcare system.

We could have avoided this lockdown, had Americans earlier in the nation's history had the forsight to not be incredibly fucking greedy.

Just got back from a walk, sorry I missed so much.

As far as the freedom thingy goes. JP is fully in the thralls of some libertarian hysteria. We must constantly redact our freedom in order to have a functioning society.

Hmm - I don’t understand your point about the healthcare system.

For profit institutions have a adopted a -just in time- production model. That means no stockpile and no waste. We had doctors and nurses reusing protective equipment between shifts due to shortages. Staff were exhausted because they were overworked, because the minimum amount of people working is the most profitable.

We had no spare beds, no spare wings or wards of hospitals dedicated to pandemics because maintaining those things would be unprofitable. So we had to lockdown to save lives.

Yep it’s our fault. I hear you. You’re stuck with us though. Or are you?

Our for profit healthcare system literally killed people.

(Re to stone cold from earlier. Phone died$

I see. @Malachi . Not sure if it’s just the healthcare system. I meant it’s a cost to the government or to the people, either way. I don’t think even if it was government controlled, they would constantly be wasting resources awaiting a day they might need them.

The case can be made that the inefficiencies inherent in a. Govt controlled healthcare system would not have the capacity or capability to respond to such a situation

Especially if people are allowed to say “no”

That is an important factor. I can solve so many more problems if I can force everyone into slavery or to act exactly as I want them to

But I can’t, I don’t want to, and I have to survive in this world of freedom just like anyone else.