He doesn’t have to though

i dont understand why this is an issue

It was either Richard Feynman or Einstein that said if you can’t explain you’re idea simply then you don’t understand what you’re talking about

bro lmfao

It’s just something that bothers me. Didn’t mean to vent lol

But yeah I guess it’s to complicated of an idea for me to grasp

That is a simple explination

But there’s no proof behind it

It’s just him saying it

Religion is based around god justice is based around merit

yea this is not a claim in reality

i cannot test the concept of amyth

or justice

I have no physical evidance of myths or absterct concepts

Obviously and that’s why I think it’s a weak idea

Concepts

First published Mon Nov 7, 2005; substantive revision Mon Jun 17, 2019

Concepts are the building blocks of thoughts. Consequently, they are crucial to such psychological processes as categorization, inference, memory, learning, and decision-making.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept?wprov=sfla1

@T2the2ndpowr I think this will help understand what I'm saying. Justice is a concept, and anthropologically we can catagotize it within the concept myths.

This is the language, that makes anthropological conversations possible.

I mean yeah that is true. Laws and justice are most definetley a concept i think everyone agrees with that. But saying that justice is some myth in the same sense that religion is is just crazy

I mean it's not real... Right? It's fictcious.. so myth is the superordinate concept of Justice. Or in other words justice is subordinate to myth.

And all of these fall under the concept, of concepts. And this is where there is much debate over what are concepts to begin with.

From Aristotle to Kant and Wittgenstein

There are not things that need evidence

A myth as a consept is that which is fictcious and only exists in human minds.

That is simply it's def there is no evidence or proff necessary

@ThePangburn this is where you and I last spoke about the ability to know things with certainty. This would be indicitive of that.

You might find prototype theory interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prototype_theory?wprov=sfla1

It analyzes concepts psychologically

https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/books/book-list/

Why people lie if it is distructive!!

What is genetic basis of this

??

Perhaps reality is something like chaos and oder

There is an significant diffrence between objective and absoulte. I think you are conflating objective and absolute. 😛

What do you mean when you say "the moral system is still subjective" ?
> No, the application of objecting wellbeing measurements as a route to morality is what is objective. The moral system is still subjective.
@ThePangburn

This idea could piggyback off of our discussion of objective/subjective morality. My question is: What are some preferred methods of speech/communication to illustrate gradations of morality? I hope we could agree that morality, even from our own standards can get into some grey areas. I guess this is where we could say the term “moral landscape” can be useful. With this short and sweet phrase we can cast a perspective on to morality that eludes to many things at once. Morality, complex and vast. Difficult to navigate. Appears different from where one is standing. It has paths to follow. One can easily get lost in it’s difficult terrain. I like this pairing of landscape to morality.

There is no such thing as "absolute morality", and most users of that term are either self-deluded and wearing blinders over core societal issues, or predatory frauds trying to manipulate others who fail to see that.

You should try to soften your diction to facilitate discussion better, and you aren’t even referring to any idea which has been yet spoken in this chat @LokiV

> This idea could piggyback off of our discussion of objective/subjective morality. My question is: What are some preferred methods of speech/communication to illustrate gradations of morality? I hope we could agree that morality, even from our own standards can get into some grey areas. I guess this is where we could say the term “moral landscape” can be useful. With this short and sweet phrase we can cast a perspective on to morality that eludes to many things at once. Morality, complex and vast. Difficult to navigate. Appears different from where one is standing. It has paths to follow. One can easily get lost in it’s difficult terrain. I like this pairing of landscape to morality.
@kcon415 I think we could develop this idea. I am an advocate of nuance within morality when speaking to Christians, and talking with you about nuanced morality via a landscape idea might be a way for me to better engage Sam Harris’ ideas

@LokiV is correct though, no need to tone police him @Zurich04 objective morality arguments are a shell game, morality itself is inséparable from goals and "ought" statements, which are subjective, meaning morality necessarily cannot be objective unless you just change the definitions or equivocate

I see no bad faith. @Zurich04 seems to be just trying to help @LokiV make his point.

It's not helpful when Zurich makes false claims, possibly failing to read the very recent comments he alleged don't exist directly above.

I could expand many examples in cultures and religions, but have too many other tasks active to do so now. And no reason to, unless some good faith discussion arises, which delusion or lazy/reckless ignorance is not to me.

> Perhaps reality is something like chaos and oder
@anurag
Shaped chaos IS a form of order, and very common in nature.

Protecting chaos is intrinsic to rights protections for diverse groups, while limits on chaos may also be part of survival and function, or forms of abuse when driven by cult dogma or emotional dysfunction in some or many.