Message from @therealdandan

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2020-08-28 03:06:19 UTC  

What’s the myth in that

2020-08-28 03:20:39 UTC  

We have meny useful and pragmatic myths. Harrari explains that myths are are ficticous belifes. In the full book he says
Any large-scale human cooperation – whether a modern state, a medieval church, an ancient city or an archaic tribe – is rooted in common myths that exist only in people’s collective imagination. Churches are rooted in common religious myths. Two Catholics who have never met can nevertheless go together on crusade or pool funds to build a hospital because they both believe that God was incarnated in human flesh and allowed Himself to be crucified to redeem our sins. States are rooted in common national myths. Two Serbs who have never met might risk their lives to save one another because both believe in the existence of the Serbian nation, the Serbian homeland and the Serbian flag. Judicial systems are rooted in common legal myths. Two lawyers who have never met can nevertheless combine efforts to defend a complete stranger because they both believe in the existence of laws, justice, human rights – and the money paid out in fees. Yet none of these things exists outside the stories that people invent and tell one another. There are no gods in the universe, no nations, no money, no human rights, no laws, and no justice outside the common imagination of human beings.

Harari, Yuval Noah. Sapiens (pp. 27-28). Harper. Kindle Edition.

2020-08-28 03:21:39 UTC  

What we fail to appreciate is that our modern institutions function on exactly the same basis.

2020-08-28 03:22:48 UTC  

Peugeot ( car company ) is a figment of our collective imagination. Lawyers call this a ‘legal fiction’. It can’t be pointed at; it is not a physical object. But it exists as a legal entity. Just like you or me, it is bound by the laws of the countries in which it operates. It can open a bank account and own property. It pays taxes, and it can be sued and even prosecuted separately from any of the people who own or work for it. Peugeot belongs to a particular genre of legal fictions called ‘limited liability companies’.

2020-08-28 03:24:39 UTC  

Myths are obviously fictitious of all the things he could’ve been explaining in his book I wish he didn’t waste his time on explaining that lol

2020-08-28 03:25:38 UTC  

do you see how justice is a part of that catagoy?

2020-08-28 03:27:57 UTC  

I had to read it like 5 times and yeah I see what he’s saying but I don’t see how people can think that’s true

2020-08-28 03:28:28 UTC  

I think he’s a pretty introspective deep person and really uses hypotheticals to view the outside world

2020-08-28 03:28:39 UTC  

I’m just not interested in looking at the world that way

2020-08-28 03:29:13 UTC  

I mean he tries to say a business is a figment of our imagination

2020-08-28 03:29:22 UTC  

but it has strong explnatory power

2020-08-28 03:29:26 UTC  

Or at least the identity of the business

2020-08-28 03:29:58 UTC  

I think it had terrible explanatory power because I can barley understand it

2020-08-28 03:30:06 UTC  

You have to keep looking beyond things

2020-08-28 03:30:35 UTC  

Maybe one day in voice chat you can try and explain it to me

2020-08-28 03:31:18 UTC  

I’d much rather hear you talk about it then some guy that calls human “sapiens” instead of just calling them humans or people

2020-08-28 03:31:26 UTC  

this anthropological method of evaluation is what lets anthropologiest make the connections and predictions they do.

2020-08-28 03:33:20 UTC  

He is a historian, and has studied history. and he is analyzing the organization of human social and cultural relations, institutions, social conflicts, etc.

2020-08-28 03:33:37 UTC  

Just like any scientist who study chimp behavior he is using the scientifc name

2020-08-28 03:34:07 UTC  

He doesn’t have to though

2020-08-28 03:34:22 UTC  

i dont understand why this is an issue

2020-08-28 03:34:55 UTC  

It was either Richard Feynman or Einstein that said if you can’t explain you’re idea simply then you don’t understand what you’re talking about

2020-08-28 03:35:11 UTC  

bro lmfao

2020-08-28 03:35:43 UTC  

It’s just something that bothers me. Didn’t mean to vent lol

2020-08-28 03:35:57 UTC  

But yeah I guess it’s to complicated of an idea for me to grasp

2020-08-28 03:36:10 UTC  

That is a simple explination

2020-08-28 03:36:40 UTC  

But there’s no proof behind it

2020-08-28 03:36:46 UTC  

It’s just him saying it

2020-08-28 03:37:05 UTC  

Religion is based around god justice is based around merit

2020-08-28 03:37:27 UTC  

yea this is not a claim in reality

2020-08-28 03:37:50 UTC  

i cannot test the concept of amyth

2020-08-28 03:37:57 UTC  

or justice

2020-08-28 03:38:11 UTC  

I have no physical evidance of myths or absterct concepts

2020-08-28 03:38:28 UTC  

Obviously and that’s why I think it’s a weak idea

2020-08-28 06:34:10 UTC  

Concepts

First published Mon Nov 7, 2005; substantive revision Mon Jun 17, 2019

Concepts are the building blocks of thoughts. Consequently, they are crucial to such psychological processes as categorization, inference, memory, learning, and decision-making.

2020-08-28 06:39:27 UTC  

@T2the2ndpowr I think this will help understand what I'm saying. Justice is a concept, and anthropologically we can catagotize it within the concept myths.

2020-08-28 06:40:42 UTC  

This is the language, that makes anthropological conversations possible.

2020-08-28 06:45:12 UTC  

I mean yeah that is true. Laws and justice are most definetley a concept i think everyone agrees with that. But saying that justice is some myth in the same sense that religion is is just crazy

2020-08-28 07:11:39 UTC  

I mean it's not real... Right? It's fictcious.. so myth is the superordinate concept of Justice. Or in other words justice is subordinate to myth.

And all of these fall under the concept, of concepts. And this is where there is much debate over what are concepts to begin with.

2020-08-28 07:13:08 UTC  

From Aristotle to Kant and Wittgenstein