Message from @StoneCold316

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2020-09-24 14:44:46 UTC  

How do we feel about weak vs strong differentiated citizenship in the USA? Do our overseas friends have anything like this?

2020-09-24 15:09:00 UTC  

What is that?

2020-09-24 15:32:32 UTC  

Something I'm studying in my political philosophy class. It's the concept that different groups of citizens have different rights. In theory all citizens should have equal rights, but some groups maintain special rights.

2020-09-24 15:32:50 UTC  

Like?

2020-09-24 15:33:25 UTC  

I condemn that

2020-09-24 15:46:49 UTC  

Are there time when it may be useful?

2020-09-24 15:47:27 UTC  

I don’t even know what you’re talking about to be able to comment. I asked above what type of special rights for what type of people are you referring to?

2020-09-24 15:48:07 UTC  

So the obvious example is Native Americans. they don't pay many federal taxes, and they have special access to educational benefits.

2020-09-24 15:49:01 UTC  

It’s not so obvious to people who are maybe not from the USA. I thought they were only given lands and could grow weed and play cards on them.

2020-09-24 15:49:28 UTC  

Where are you from?

2020-09-24 15:49:30 UTC  

Is affirmative action also an example?

2020-09-24 15:50:09 UTC  

I cannot say for personal security reasons. Sorry.

2020-09-24 15:52:41 UTC  

Affirmative action is an example. Though I think it has been walked back in the usa

2020-09-24 15:53:42 UTC  

How about any quotas based on geographic location, skin color, religions, language, ethnicity etc etc

2020-09-24 15:54:07 UTC  

Or whether naturalized citizens can become the president ?

2020-09-24 15:54:38 UTC  

ooh, the prsident one is a great question

2020-09-24 15:55:09 UTC  

Yea - I often think about these things as separate issues

2020-09-24 15:55:24 UTC  

I guess we do have separate types of citizenship.

2020-09-24 15:55:30 UTC  

Never heard t discussed as a philosophy topic regarding ‘ special rights for some citizens’

2020-09-24 15:55:59 UTC  

Yes- that’s why I was asking you to clarify - cuz I thought it does exist

2020-09-24 15:56:10 UTC  

Kymlicka has done a lot of early work on it.

2020-09-24 15:56:22 UTC  

He is for strong differentiated citizenship.

2020-09-24 15:57:04 UTC  

So in the Middle East. Some countries have laws where a non-Muslim can not hold the highest office. In some they can’t even hold offices past a certain rank threshold

2020-09-24 15:57:07 UTC  

The icky part is that if you want Native Americans to maintain their status, then you must also admit that the Southern boys with their confederate flag is also a protected culture.

2020-09-24 15:57:10 UTC  

So it does exist all over the world

2020-09-24 15:57:59 UTC  

And the religious police must turn a blind eye to the Saudis princes doing blow on hookers asses.

2020-09-24 15:58:23 UTC  

> And the religious police must turn a blind eye to the Saudis princes doing blow on hookers asses.
@Malachi it’s called ‘ prevention of vice and promotion of virtue police’

2020-09-24 15:58:26 UTC  

😂

2020-09-24 15:58:54 UTC  

Sounds like theocracy gone wrong, or very right depending on your level of brainwashing.

2020-09-24 15:58:55 UTC  

It is virtuous for the prince to do so. Don’t you see?

2020-09-24 15:59:11 UTC  

No I don't see.

2020-09-24 15:59:39 UTC  

Yea, no one else does either 😂

2020-09-24 16:00:32 UTC  

I have to walk my dog. If anyone comes up with something let me know.

2020-09-24 16:00:46 UTC  

Ok. I’ll check out the link u sent.

2020-09-24 16:01:18 UTC  

Would wanna know your opinions on this from a philosophical perspective including governance and jurisprudence

2020-09-24 16:01:35 UTC  

I haven’t been introduced to this except for the examples I could think of on my own heh

2020-09-24 16:04:57 UTC  

> The icky part is that if you want Native Americans to maintain their status, then you must also admit that the Southern boys with their confederate flag is also a protected culture.
@Malachi I think in this particular case there is something to be said about whose land was ‘stolen’ (from some perspectives) and if it’s just some retribution.

2020-09-24 20:14:48 UTC  

Sorry I missed this, busy morning.

2020-09-24 20:16:03 UTC  

I don't believe in righting historical wrongs. As those people are not alive today to stand trial.

2020-09-25 00:07:14 UTC  

I don’t believe in it either. I’m describing the reasoning (however flawed) behind it.