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So pleasure

That actually not a bad argument

Anything when it comes to STDs or hygiene?

@Delta to reduce your chances of STD. One can get circumcised and condom every time they have casual sex. Or someone can be intact and wear a condom every time they have casual sex

@Delta
This "procedure" is violently robbing a child of specialized sexual structures, sexual function and autonomy over their body.

Virtually all men who are left intact as children do not choose to get a penile modification surgery as an adult.

If there is any reduction in STD's, it is due to the fact that a majority of the highly erogenous genital membrane tissue has been ablated from the penis and the remaining membrane tissue has developed layers of keratin. That is a profound loss and one that can only be weighed as adult. However, I personally think it is wild that a man would ever do that voluntarily without dire medical need like gangrene. Everything should be done to preserve this important tissue.

Lastly, any claim for STD reduction rates is still quite hotly contested. When you hear something like the often touted 60% reduction in HIV transmission, that is the relative risk. The real metrics tell a much different story. In this study, 1.2% of cut men acquired HIV vs 2% for intact men. Therefore, the absolute risk reduction is only .8 of a percent. In addition, only the men that had been cut were given condoms...

Bioethicist Brian Earp gives a detailed breakdown of the profound flaws of this study here - [A fatal irony: Why the "circumcision solution" to the AIDS epidemic in Africa may increase transmission of HIV | Practical Ethics](http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2012/05/when-bad-science-kills-or-how-to-spread-aids/)

The fact that it is hotly contested is the only thing that gives me pause

@Delta shouldn't we leave it up to the child to decide? I'm assuming you're referring to a child.

We don’t leave a lot of things up to children

The fact that Heath benefits are contested give me pause

Because if there truly may be health benefits I truly see a circumcision argument

What’s the discussion

However, I’m not convinced of that yet

Understood but he can decide when he's old enough to do so and understands what it entails

Would you argue the same for vaccines?

Actually yes

What about in a different regard, say you son comes up to you and says they want to transition to become a girl. Should that be their decision or the parents?

But that's a different topic

How old is the son?

Say 13

if I believe he is mature enough at that age then yes

I don’t think a 13 year old can possibly know enough about themselves or the world to decide to permanently transition. Perhaps if it were superficial. Like cross dressing then maybe.

If a kid asks for something and a parent knows they may regret it later, is it not within their rights to deny that child

https://youtu.be/D_dzeDvx2QA

Perhaps you're right

In my state the age is 12 and the kid no longer has to listen to their parents

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A boy's foreskin might not be leaving fraction Naturally by the age of 12 much less be able to understand the body and adult sexuality

But the parent is still responsible for the child’s well being aren’t they?

It may not be retracted by the age of 12

But as far as circumcision goes, there is no reason to do it at birth.

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The only time someone else remove healthy tissue from another person and not go to prison

Yeah they are which just seems screwy to me

Billboard that people should take before pay someone to cut off part of their son's d penis

I got cut off so.ehow...

@Delta, we’re not agreement at all. Even if there was a 100% reduction in all STD transmission rates, it is outright satanic to excise a child’s genital structures for anything other than dire medical need such as necrosis or gangrene.

I’m not sure where you are coming from in thinking that it is permissible to violently mutilate a boy’s penis. I’d like to see this practice criminalized, and I’m actively working toward that goal.

Is immunizing you all STDs not a dire medical need? Similar to a super-vaccine?

I don't understand why people constantly feel the need to bring vaccines into this discussion....

THEY ARE NOT RELATED OR SIMILAR

Same as the people that try to say "you don't let your kid choose what they eat, otherwise they would just eat candy" or "did you ask for permission to change their diaper"

Those things don't take away from the body of your child