Message from @tom
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Ah, so I don't need to go full bulldog mode on ya then...lol
Yeah I lean to your side. But before I start arguing for anything, I try to argue for the opposite
Can’t we all just touch tips and get along?
Um
No
For the morbidly curious..
*No more links
Fine we don’t have to get along
That’s pornography
No dude just the first bit
Yikes
No one said yes to that
Y’all are racist
If it's pornography, why is it okay to do it to infants?
What???
Racist?
I’m just joking jeeeeeez lighten up. I don’t think it’s pornography and I don’t think we should touch tips
😘
So pleasure
That actually not a bad argument
Anything when it comes to STDs or hygiene?
@Delta to reduce your chances of STD. One can get circumcised and condom every time they have casual sex. Or someone can be intact and wear a condom every time they have casual sex
@Delta
This "procedure" is violently robbing a child of specialized sexual structures, sexual function and autonomy over their body.
Virtually all men who are left intact as children do not choose to get a penile modification surgery as an adult.
If there is any reduction in STD's, it is due to the fact that a majority of the highly erogenous genital membrane tissue has been ablated from the penis and the remaining membrane tissue has developed layers of keratin. That is a profound loss and one that can only be weighed as adult. However, I personally think it is wild that a man would ever do that voluntarily without dire medical need like gangrene. Everything should be done to preserve this important tissue.
Lastly, any claim for STD reduction rates is still quite hotly contested. When you hear something like the often touted 60% reduction in HIV transmission, that is the relative risk. The real metrics tell a much different story. In this study, 1.2% of cut men acquired HIV vs 2% for intact men. Therefore, the absolute risk reduction is only .8 of a percent. In addition, only the men that had been cut were given condoms...
Bioethicist Brian Earp gives a detailed breakdown of the profound flaws of this study here - [A fatal irony: Why the "circumcision solution" to the AIDS epidemic in Africa may increase transmission of HIV | Practical Ethics](http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2012/05/when-bad-science-kills-or-how-to-spread-aids/)
The fact that it is hotly contested is the only thing that gives me pause
@Delta shouldn't we leave it up to the child to decide? I'm assuming you're referring to a child.
We don’t leave a lot of things up to children
The fact that Heath benefits are contested give me pause
Because if there truly may be health benefits I truly see a circumcision argument
What’s the discussion
However, I’m not convinced of that yet
Understood but he can decide when he's old enough to do so and understands what it entails
Would you argue the same for vaccines?
Actually yes
What about in a different regard, say you son comes up to you and says they want to transition to become a girl. Should that be their decision or the parents?
But that's a different topic
How old is the son?
Say 13





