Message from @Doctor Anon
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Alternative outcomes are imaginary
Could you elaborate for me?
God has foreknowledge of all, meaning there is only one course of action
God's eternal knowledge of the trajectory of time leads to every factor in it to be determinist
When we engage in your daily lives it is in fact determined and what we do is not free will but freely attending to divine arbitration
So do I have a true choice to go to heaven or hell or am I already destined for one
No
But also yes
You are under divine arbitration on what will happen
But you will freely choose the determined outcome
That's like choosing to open a door with something behind it versus a door with a wall behind it
Yes I choose the door with something behind it, but that still means I didn't choose the outcome
My actions did not effect my outcome
So how can I be guilty of choosing the wrong door
Your actions did affect your outcome
You freely choose the course of action that will happen
It's an interesting thing that sounds like a truism
So, can I conciously change wether I go to heaven or hell via my actions and beliefs
Without arbitration?
Anything you do is already determined to happen
They were determined to do evil
Because they freely chose the determined path
That's the technicality
You can't choose a different outcome but you will always freely choose the determined outcome
But they we're determined beforehand to be on that path
Everything is determined yes, but not controlled
No, a person can change wether or not they go to hell or heaven thru their beliefs and actions
And if they do that then it is already determined to happen
No
Then God isn't all powerful and all knowing
Wrong
God's eternal knowledge means he knows what all is going to happen
He can know wether or not and can control your destination, but willingly chooses to forfeit this information, but can access it any time
You cannot say he willingly chooses to forfeit it, but even if he does, the fact that he can access it still means he has eternal knowledge of all time
Making everything that happens determined
No
God's knowledge is not variable
Otherwise he is not all knowing
If he knows all that is to happen, then what will happen is determined as a result and not by action
And his intervention will not change that