Message from @el pebble

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2018-12-10 04:50:02 UTC  

free will does not exist

2018-12-10 04:50:14 UTC  

so we are predestined?

2018-12-10 05:11:21 UTC  

@Doctor Anon your choices are determined

2018-12-10 05:11:23 UTC  

As in

2018-12-10 05:11:40 UTC  

You freely choose the choice already determined

2018-12-10 05:11:50 UTC  

Alternative outcomes are imaginary

2018-12-10 05:15:25 UTC  

Could you elaborate for me?

2018-12-10 05:25:09 UTC  

God has foreknowledge of all, meaning there is only one course of action

2018-12-10 05:26:05 UTC  

God's eternal knowledge of the trajectory of time leads to every factor in it to be determinist

2018-12-10 05:27:28 UTC  

When we engage in your daily lives it is in fact determined and what we do is not free will but freely attending to divine arbitration

2018-12-10 05:28:11 UTC  

So do I have a true choice to go to heaven or hell or am I already destined for one

2018-12-10 05:28:53 UTC  

No

2018-12-10 05:29:03 UTC  

But also yes

2018-12-10 05:29:37 UTC  

You are under divine arbitration on what will happen

2018-12-10 05:29:50 UTC  

But you will freely choose the determined outcome

2018-12-10 05:30:34 UTC  

That's like choosing to open a door with something behind it versus a door with a wall behind it

2018-12-10 05:31:00 UTC  

Yes I choose the door with something behind it, but that still means I didn't choose the outcome

2018-12-10 05:31:08 UTC  

My actions did not effect my outcome

2018-12-10 05:31:23 UTC  

So how can I be guilty of choosing the wrong door

2018-12-10 05:31:32 UTC  

Your actions did affect your outcome

2018-12-10 05:31:46 UTC  

You freely choose the course of action that will happen

2018-12-10 05:32:05 UTC  

It's an interesting thing that sounds like a truism

2018-12-10 05:32:20 UTC  

So, can I conciously change wether I go to heaven or hell via my actions and beliefs

2018-12-10 05:32:34 UTC  

Without arbitration?

2018-12-10 05:32:57 UTC  

Anything you do is already determined to happen

2018-12-10 05:33:37 UTC  

So how can you call anyone guilty

2018-12-10 05:33:48 UTC  

They were determined to do evil

2018-12-10 05:34:02 UTC  

Because they freely chose the determined path

2018-12-10 05:34:23 UTC  

That's the technicality

2018-12-10 05:34:39 UTC  

You can't choose a different outcome but you will always freely choose the determined outcome

2018-12-10 05:34:48 UTC  

But they we're determined beforehand to be on that path

2018-12-10 05:35:09 UTC  

Everything is determined yes, but not controlled

2018-12-10 05:35:41 UTC  

No, a person can change wether or not they go to hell or heaven thru their beliefs and actions

2018-12-10 05:35:56 UTC  

And if they do that then it is already determined to happen

2018-12-10 05:36:03 UTC  

No

2018-12-10 05:36:12 UTC  

Then God isn't all powerful and all knowing

2018-12-10 05:36:17 UTC  

Wrong

2018-12-10 05:36:34 UTC  

God's eternal knowledge means he knows what all is going to happen

2018-12-10 05:36:49 UTC  

He can know wether or not and can control your destination, but willingly chooses to forfeit this information, but can access it any time

2018-12-10 05:37:49 UTC  

You cannot say he willingly chooses to forfeit it, but even if he does, the fact that he can access it still means he has eternal knowledge of all time

2018-12-10 05:37:57 UTC  

Making everything that happens determined