Message from @Doctor Anon
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It's an interesting thing that sounds like a truism
So, can I conciously change wether I go to heaven or hell via my actions and beliefs
Without arbitration?
Anything you do is already determined to happen
So how can you call anyone guilty
They were determined to do evil
Because they freely chose the determined path
That's the technicality
You can't choose a different outcome but you will always freely choose the determined outcome
But they we're determined beforehand to be on that path
Everything is determined yes, but not controlled
No, a person can change wether or not they go to hell or heaven thru their beliefs and actions
And if they do that then it is already determined to happen
No
Then God isn't all powerful and all knowing
Wrong
God's eternal knowledge means he knows what all is going to happen
He can know wether or not and can control your destination, but willingly chooses to forfeit this information, but can access it any time
You cannot say he willingly chooses to forfeit it, but even if he does, the fact that he can access it still means he has eternal knowledge of all time
Making everything that happens determined
God's knowledge is not variable
Otherwise he is not all knowing
If he knows all that is to happen, then what will happen is determined as a result and not by action
And his intervention will not change that
For his eternal knowledge will include knowing of his intervention
Now, any anthromorphic attempts to this misses the point
Knowing all that will happen means what will happen is set in stone
If free will were true God could not know your next move
@el pebble God is not unjust
things are pre determined until we come in a situation where we have free will
100% predetermination is a heretic belief because it says that God causes us to sin
which is wrong
You have not read anything I said
I specifically partition acting on determination and it being a factor of eternally knowing
I am divided, I understand your reasoning but I will need to think about this long afterwards to fully grasp the full extent of it. But you may be wrong as well.
Like what you do you would do in all scenario the exact same as the one you are in. Along with everyone else in their scenarios. Meaning God just knows what we will do but is not forcing us to do this. @el pebble Am I somewhat understanding what you are saying right?
@Victor Von Doom God does not predetermine the action, but what happens is determined to happen by virtue of eternal knowledge being present. That means we inherently will do what is determined but we freely choose this divinely known trajectory @Victor Von Doom
This is where we decide free will is not true
Because we are not choosing without arbitration a set of outcomes
Because what was said before posits other outcomes are imaginary and not possibly entertained