Message from @Doctor Anon

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2018-12-10 03:32:20 UTC  

i hope so...and they all have to go back

2018-12-10 03:32:56 UTC  

at least 3 generations

2018-12-10 03:33:43 UTC  

not sure how that can be accomplished tho tbh

2018-12-10 04:28:17 UTC  

By killing them all

2018-12-10 04:50:02 UTC  

free will does not exist

2018-12-10 04:50:14 UTC  

so we are predestined?

2018-12-10 05:11:21 UTC  

@Doctor Anon your choices are determined

2018-12-10 05:11:23 UTC  

As in

2018-12-10 05:11:40 UTC  

You freely choose the choice already determined

2018-12-10 05:11:50 UTC  

Alternative outcomes are imaginary

2018-12-10 05:15:25 UTC  

Could you elaborate for me?

2018-12-10 05:25:09 UTC  

God has foreknowledge of all, meaning there is only one course of action

2018-12-10 05:26:05 UTC  

God's eternal knowledge of the trajectory of time leads to every factor in it to be determinist

2018-12-10 05:27:28 UTC  

When we engage in your daily lives it is in fact determined and what we do is not free will but freely attending to divine arbitration

2018-12-10 05:28:11 UTC  

So do I have a true choice to go to heaven or hell or am I already destined for one

2018-12-10 05:28:53 UTC  

No

2018-12-10 05:29:03 UTC  

But also yes

2018-12-10 05:29:37 UTC  

You are under divine arbitration on what will happen

2018-12-10 05:29:50 UTC  

But you will freely choose the determined outcome

2018-12-10 05:30:34 UTC  

That's like choosing to open a door with something behind it versus a door with a wall behind it

2018-12-10 05:31:00 UTC  

Yes I choose the door with something behind it, but that still means I didn't choose the outcome

2018-12-10 05:31:08 UTC  

My actions did not effect my outcome

2018-12-10 05:31:23 UTC  

So how can I be guilty of choosing the wrong door

2018-12-10 05:31:32 UTC  

Your actions did affect your outcome

2018-12-10 05:31:46 UTC  

You freely choose the course of action that will happen

2018-12-10 05:32:05 UTC  

It's an interesting thing that sounds like a truism

2018-12-10 05:32:20 UTC  

So, can I conciously change wether I go to heaven or hell via my actions and beliefs

2018-12-10 05:32:34 UTC  

Without arbitration?

2018-12-10 05:32:57 UTC  

Anything you do is already determined to happen

2018-12-10 05:33:37 UTC  

So how can you call anyone guilty

2018-12-10 05:33:48 UTC  

They were determined to do evil

2018-12-10 05:34:02 UTC  

Because they freely chose the determined path

2018-12-10 05:34:23 UTC  

That's the technicality

2018-12-10 05:34:39 UTC  

You can't choose a different outcome but you will always freely choose the determined outcome

2018-12-10 05:34:48 UTC  

But they we're determined beforehand to be on that path

2018-12-10 05:35:09 UTC  

Everything is determined yes, but not controlled

2018-12-10 05:35:41 UTC  

No, a person can change wether or not they go to hell or heaven thru their beliefs and actions

2018-12-10 05:35:56 UTC  

And if they do that then it is already determined to happen

2018-12-10 05:36:03 UTC  

No

2018-12-10 05:36:12 UTC  

Then God isn't all powerful and all knowing

2018-12-10 05:36:17 UTC  

Wrong