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Where they're subject to virtual genocide and can't do anything about it, which is the basis of the term. that by being a subject to another state, they are stateless and have no control over their destiny or independence.
sami nation
i think?
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yes
Minority does not necessarily imply stateless nation. Sami, being indigenous, are kind of a grey area. Stateless nation semi-implies that at one point they were a state.
That's why it's a grey area.
we were a state
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The Sami were?
yes
havent been for centuries
but we were
uhhhh which state
As far as I know the Sami are indigenous people that never organized themselves into a state but I may be wrong.
plenty of little tribal ones
Tribes aren't states.
believe at one point pre-conquest we were mostly unified
yes
what the hell do you mean tribes arent states?
an area under the leadership of 1 man with a fighting force and laws isnt a state?
Which means any disagreement ultimately boils down to semantics.
"a nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government.
"Germany, Italy, and other European states""
You can take it up with an expert over whether or not the Sami were a state but I guarantee you 100% of them will agree it wasn't.
But that's just one example, and because it's an indigenous people it's an imperfect one.
Not at all the same as the Basque.
what the hell are you talking about?
Which state did the Sami organize themselves into?
lots of different ones
Lots of tribes you mean. Not organized under one government.
So it's settled, it wasn't a state.
kildens, nords, sani
how is that not a state?
It's not organized under one government. It's several tribes, not with a contiguous border I might add.
just because the state didnt include every single sami means it isnt a state?
Or a politically recognized government.
yeah, some of them did have borders
not all were nomadic
specifically not the southern or western ones
Internationally respected borders, coordinated by a single government? If not, then no state.