hes saying that all of these nations of people which you have listed live in countries with states you mong

women

hes arguing semantics because you are

I understand exactly what he's saying and I'm saying why he's wrong.

He has to argue semantics on principle of the definition because the definition he arbitrated is incorrect.

But if all you have to say is "lol u mong" then???

ive honestly got no idea what youre trying to argue any more, are you trying to say that these distinct ethnic groups within other countries are all "stateless societies"?

They're stateless nations. My original disagreement was that the Eye dude said a stateless nation doesn't exist because he was under the impression nation necessitated statehood.

Deicze thinks that just because a 'stateless nation' may have their own autonomous or even non-autonomous region within a country as a division that makes them not stateless.

they're only stateless because they're the subjects of a bigger state

Correct.

and he is right

he lives in one of them, mate

Cool. But that doesn't make him right.

Which stateless nation exactly? I bet it's comparable to Rohingya or the Kurds.

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Where they're subject to virtual genocide and can't do anything about it, which is the basis of the term. that by being a subject to another state, they are stateless and have no control over their destiny or independence.

sami nation

i think?

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yes

Minority does not necessarily imply stateless nation. Sami, being indigenous, are kind of a grey area. Stateless nation semi-implies that at one point they were a state.

That's why it's a grey area.

we were a state

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The Sami were?

yes

havent been for centuries

but we were

uhhhh which state

As far as I know the Sami are indigenous people that never organized themselves into a state but I may be wrong.

plenty of little tribal ones

Tribes aren't states.

believe at one point pre-conquest we were mostly unified

yes

what the hell do you mean tribes arent states?

Your definitions are all over the place.

an area under the leadership of 1 man with a fighting force and laws isnt a state?

Which means any disagreement ultimately boils down to semantics.

"a nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government.
"Germany, Italy, and other European states""

You can take it up with an expert over whether or not the Sami were a state but I guarantee you 100% of them will agree it wasn't.