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what the hell do you mean tribes arent states?
Your definitions are all over the place.
an area under the leadership of 1 man with a fighting force and laws isnt a state?
Which means any disagreement ultimately boils down to semantics.
"a nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government.
"Germany, Italy, and other European states""
You can take it up with an expert over whether or not the Sami were a state but I guarantee you 100% of them will agree it wasn't.
But that's just one example, and because it's an indigenous people it's an imperfect one.
Not at all the same as the Basque.
what the hell are you talking about?
Which state did the Sami organize themselves into?
lots of different ones
Lots of tribes you mean. Not organized under one government.
So it's settled, it wasn't a state.
kildens, nords, sani
how is that not a state?
It's not organized under one government. It's several tribes, not with a contiguous border I might add.
just because the state didnt include every single sami means it isnt a state?
Or a politically recognized government.
yeah, some of them did have borders
not all were nomadic
Internationally respected borders, coordinated by a single government? If not, then no state.
Your definition of state is exceedingly generous.
i know it is futile trying to argue with you
but i cant help but wonder where you get this shit
Westphalian sovereignty, the accepted rule for defining states for centuries, is apparently meaningless to you.
try to find some borders which were universally agreed upon in the early middle ages
The early middle ages were actually pretty universally agreed upon. Even though it was personal fiefdoms it was all on paper.
you cant describe historical states by "internationally recognized"
especially not feudal ones
But they were.
that is ridiculous
Ownership was tenuous, but it was there.
I'm sorry that you disagree with me but if you're ready to offer a counterargument at any time I'm ready.
Even the French, an extremely decentralized collection of ducal fiefdoms, was recognized a single polity in the middle ages.
Subdivided into the Occitans, Burgundians, etc. as regional subdivisions.
Because it was known the actual French king's authority in France was weak.
But all of the ducal states paid homage regardless.
But this is, of course, pre-Westphalian sovereignty. The same diplomacy applied but not the way it was agreed upon.
By Westphalian rules France was a state, the Sami were not.
Alright if that's all you have I have shit to do. Cya.