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2018-09-16 22:05:44 UTC  

but then successors just copied him

2018-09-16 22:05:55 UTC  

when thats not how government works lol

2018-09-16 22:05:56 UTC  

I’m not a fan of fascism because it puts more emphasis on the state which is usually at the expense of individual sovereignty. I’ll agree that there is some benefit to it, I just don’t approve of individualism being trampled. I would even be willing to admit that every economic system has some pros to it. It just boils down to what you think is permissible for the government to do.

2018-09-16 22:06:25 UTC  

The whole “at what cost” idea

2018-09-16 22:07:49 UTC  

only on this server will one see a rational, cultured discussion take twists and turns and be damn well worthwhile to read and understand

2018-09-16 22:08:16 UTC  

the individual can die but the collective will live on, keeping this selfish individual mentality instead of pursuing something greater is why libertarianism is full of hedonistic pleasure seeking and greedy wealth hoarding

2018-09-16 22:08:48 UTC  

when you don't believe in a collective there is only your own personal flesh bound desires

2018-09-16 22:09:38 UTC  

I don't believe fascism is either totally individualist or collectivist, personally

2018-09-16 22:09:46 UTC  

well it isn't

2018-09-16 22:09:47 UTC  

nothing is

2018-09-16 22:09:58 UTC  

I think fascism acknowledges that mankind was built to be somewhere inbetween

2018-09-16 22:10:26 UTC  

collective identity needs to be tmepered with individualism or you get the problem of china where they don't develop or invent their own technology and are dependent on stealing from other nations

2018-09-16 22:10:29 UTC  

No ideology sides maybe egoism is entirely individualist or collectivist

2018-09-16 22:10:33 UTC  

A meritocracy of separate collectivisms defined as "nations"

2018-09-16 22:10:37 UTC  

they all just have a lean

2018-09-16 22:10:46 UTC  

Pretty sure communism leans to collective

2018-09-16 22:10:48 UTC  

Communism is entirely collectivist

2018-09-16 22:10:54 UTC  

^^

2018-09-16 22:10:57 UTC  

Libertarianism is almost entirely individualist

2018-09-16 22:11:02 UTC  

^^

2018-09-16 22:11:03 UTC  

you could debate that

2018-09-16 22:11:10 UTC  

communism denies hiearchy is egalitarian it rejects the tribalist collectivism nations stem from

2018-09-16 22:11:14 UTC  

but it's very close to "I will do anything I want cause I can"

2018-09-16 22:11:32 UTC  

I'm not saying actual communism can ever be achieved; it cannot

2018-09-16 22:11:34 UTC  

Communism and Fascism are two different kinds of collectivism

2018-09-16 22:11:38 UTC  

but people are dumb enough to try it

2018-09-16 22:11:50 UTC  

Communism wants gender and racial equality and a denial of hiearchy

2018-09-16 22:11:51 UTC  

same goes for total individualism

2018-09-16 22:12:00 UTC  

while fascism wants a complete hiearchy

2018-09-16 22:12:18 UTC  

again, communism ideally is total collectivism

2018-09-16 22:12:36 UTC  

well, those it considers in its collective

2018-09-16 22:12:36 UTC  

Fascism is not, but it recognizes the importance of components involving collective effort

2018-09-16 22:12:54 UTC  

considering rich people in your own nation aren't part of the collective lmao

2018-09-16 22:13:54 UTC  

Fascism is based on the organic reality of a nation state and the reality of a class based meritocracy within such a collective. These collectives themselves are divided in the world, hence, multiple conflicting and independent nations.

2018-09-16 22:14:32 UTC  

and I think that's an accurate understanding of macro human social relations

2018-09-16 22:15:49 UTC  

agreed

2018-09-17 22:47:53 UTC  

@everyone Daily Question🔖

Do you see Transhumanism overall as a benefit or detriment to humanity and why?

2018-09-17 22:48:08 UTC  

Detriment. We'll lose our soul if we become machines.

2018-09-17 22:48:14 UTC  

well

2018-09-17 22:48:16 UTC  
2018-09-17 22:48:20 UTC  

That's quite a broad question