Message from @Erathrys

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2018-09-23 20:27:40 UTC  

The people are a part of the economy, the people are part of the nation. They aren't the only thing in the economy/nation though.

2018-09-23 20:27:47 UTC  

If the Nation is the laws which govern it, and the people are constrained by, and disagree to those laws...

2018-09-23 20:27:54 UTC  

If all people died would a nation still exist?

2018-09-23 20:27:57 UTC  

Then the Nation is not working for the people.

2018-09-23 20:28:13 UTC  

Oh ok.

2018-09-23 20:28:15 UTC  

A people can exist without a nation

2018-09-23 20:28:19 UTC  

No, you're replacing the word "Government" with "Nation."

2018-09-23 20:28:23 UTC  

But a nation can't exist without a people.

2018-09-23 20:28:28 UTC  

^

2018-09-23 20:28:31 UTC  

yeah

2018-09-23 20:28:59 UTC  

But a nation doesn't serve or disserve people, the government does that. The people and their culture are what makes up a nation.

2018-09-23 20:29:01 UTC  

So the people are a separate entity from the nation itself.

2018-09-23 20:29:07 UTC  

No.

2018-09-23 20:29:13 UTC  

I'm not trying to antagonize you. I'm just pointing out that you're attempting to divorce the people from something the people themselves are.

2018-09-23 20:29:16 UTC  

@Zayan Watchel Except it does


I don't understand what doesn't make sense about it.

"But the all people are part of the economy."

Yes, should those people expect the economy to conform to them, meaning should it be built around their culture and society, or, should their society be built around the economy?

@Zayan Watchel

2018-09-23 20:29:47 UTC  

If they can exist without a nation

2018-09-23 20:29:59 UTC  

Then they have to be a separate entity.

2018-09-23 20:30:00 UTC  

As for the nation comparison, which is actually even much easier to understand, should the people be allowed to forge the nation? Should the nation forge the people?

2018-09-23 20:30:06 UTC  

Because the question essentially amounts to: "Should people serve people."

2018-09-23 20:30:12 UTC  

As if they weren't the people wouldn't exist anymore.

2018-09-23 20:30:33 UTC  

The economy serves the people who serve the economy. The nation forges the people who forge the nation.

2018-09-23 20:30:39 UTC  

The nation *is the people,* and their culture.

2018-09-23 20:30:41 UTC  

They are the same thing.

2018-09-23 20:31:02 UTC  

People forge nations, if it's not for people the nation wouldn't exist.

2018-09-23 20:31:22 UTC  

These questions all amount to: "Should people serve people, or should people serve people?"

2018-09-23 20:31:25 UTC  

@Zayan Watchel I already stated what it boils down to

"should those people expect the economy to conform to them, meaning should it be built around their culture and society, or, should their society be built around the economy? "

2018-09-23 20:31:41 UTC  

If you try hard enough, you can break it down to what you just did, yes

2018-09-23 20:31:54 UTC  

But it's going to take some effort to make such an interpretation

2018-09-23 20:31:58 UTC  

Well, if the Nation stops existing, do the people stop existing?

2018-09-23 20:32:08 UTC  

As in,you'd willfully have to make it

2018-09-23 20:32:13 UTC  

The people don't stop existing, they just lose a part of their identity.

2018-09-23 20:32:19 UTC  

Not really. The nation is a group of people and their culture. The economy is people attempting to use scarce resources.

2018-09-23 20:32:32 UTC  

People should try to work together, and support friendly competition.

2018-09-23 20:32:59 UTC  

To keep the cost of general goods down at a price that is affordable to those who need them.

2018-09-23 20:33:12 UTC  

They're both people. So asking who should serve who is asking "Should people serve people, or vice versa?"

2018-09-23 20:33:24 UTC  

While offering some luxuries to the middle class.

2018-09-23 20:33:46 UTC  

alright then

2018-09-23 20:33:53 UTC  

It's not that important anyways

2018-09-23 20:34:35 UTC  

This question went backwards.

2018-09-23 20:34:51 UTC  

The question is unanswerable and doesn't make any sense.

2018-09-23 20:35:07 UTC  

Well then don't answer it and wait for another one