Message from @Erathrys

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2018-09-23 20:22:32 UTC  

The government is a group of people, is it not? @Zayan Watchel

2018-09-23 20:22:51 UTC  

only in a democracy

2018-09-23 20:22:57 UTC  

Is asking "Should the people serve the government or should the government serve the people?" a stupid question? @Zayan Watchel

2018-09-23 20:22:57 UTC  

^

2018-09-23 20:23:05 UTC  

Indeed it is, but don't mix that up with the economy. "The people" in the question, are the economy.

2018-09-23 20:23:24 UTC  

No Razor, because the government isn't all people, it's one group within the society.

2018-09-23 20:23:40 UTC  

Everyone is in the economy to some extent, not everyone is in the government.

2018-09-23 20:23:56 UTC  

The government is a different group from the general public, so your comparison doesn't really work.

2018-09-23 20:24:03 UTC  

^

2018-09-23 20:24:28 UTC  

You should ask instead what would the purpose of a economy be.

2018-09-23 20:24:39 UTC  

That does make a little more sense.

2018-09-23 20:24:41 UTC  

Should an economy be built up by the government, or by the market of the people would have been a better question.

2018-09-23 20:25:13 UTC  

Are we talking about the function of a economy? Or the purpose?

2018-09-23 20:25:26 UTC  

It's pretty defined.

2018-09-23 20:25:31 UTC  

The terms.

2018-09-23 20:25:39 UTC  

We need to define the terms.

2018-09-23 20:25:40 UTC  

The market. Corporations are designed top down because they're meant to do really well for a while then die, if we build our economy at large that way then... well I don't need to explain why dying is bad, do I?

2018-09-23 20:25:51 UTC  

"Should the people serve the nation or should the nation serve the people?" @Erathrys

2018-09-23 20:26:00 UTC  

Bottom up systems last for a long time.

2018-09-23 20:26:17 UTC  

Well, in that case it would depend on the values of the people.

2018-09-23 20:26:19 UTC  

The nation IS the people.

2018-09-23 20:26:29 UTC  

Didn't you just say the economy was the people?

2018-09-23 20:26:39 UTC  

You did, actually, or at least zayan did

2018-09-23 20:26:42 UTC  

@The Big Oof
A nation is a group of ideas, people and culture. So it's just like the economy question, if people are a part of it, it doesn't make sense.

2018-09-23 20:26:47 UTC  

the people 🇨🇳

2018-09-23 20:26:47 UTC  

But the people aren't separate from the nation.

2018-09-23 20:26:49 UTC  

served

2018-09-23 20:26:54 UTC  

I did say that. Funny.

2018-09-23 20:27:23 UTC  

The people are separate from the nation.

2018-09-23 20:27:40 UTC  

The people are a part of the economy, the people are part of the nation. They aren't the only thing in the economy/nation though.

2018-09-23 20:27:47 UTC  

If the Nation is the laws which govern it, and the people are constrained by, and disagree to those laws...

2018-09-23 20:27:54 UTC  

If all people died would a nation still exist?

2018-09-23 20:27:57 UTC  

Then the Nation is not working for the people.

2018-09-23 20:28:13 UTC  

Oh ok.

2018-09-23 20:28:15 UTC  

A people can exist without a nation

2018-09-23 20:28:19 UTC  

No, you're replacing the word "Government" with "Nation."

2018-09-23 20:28:23 UTC  

But a nation can't exist without a people.

2018-09-23 20:28:28 UTC  

^

2018-09-23 20:28:31 UTC  

yeah

2018-09-23 20:28:59 UTC  

But a nation doesn't serve or disserve people, the government does that. The people and their culture are what makes up a nation.

2018-09-23 20:29:01 UTC  

So the people are a separate entity from the nation itself.