Message from @campodin
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the ideas of progress have been pushed too far according to many.
@Deleted User does liberty only come through classical liberalism?
well not necessarily
As I see it, Right is based on order, while Left sees order as oppressive. Right is based on morals, but Left sees them as bigoted. And Right sees spirituality as a goal, while Left sees materialism.
Both are different from Liberalism, which is based on chaos and hedonism.
I believe the modern idea of liberty came through whatever ideology the American revolutionaries carried, meanwhile the beginning ideas of freedom were probably Greek
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@Deleted User would you classify classical liberalism as right or left wing?
the political spectrum is constantly shifting with history, at this point classical liberalism is centre-right probably to the Auth-right sector
Yeah that sounds about right
I'm glad that this question though is answerable.
Well, the politics of a society may shift, but there is a true Left/Right. Currently the center is embedded leftward, but that doesn't mean there isn't a true center
otherwise, how would you judge the society moved at all
So you would say that when talking about left and right contextually is just the overton window?
@Deleted User but you think Liberalism was originally created by the left?
Sure, I suppose @campodin. Most people who call themselves Rightists, I would call Leftists -- and that seems to cover a fair amount of people here as well. They may be "Right" as much as society is concerned, but they aren't actually.
@campodin Id say the division is rather best served with the traditional idea of left -> authoritarianism and right -> Anarchy. Of course this is defining the extremes but when you add say an economic axis then you get something that can actually define a political ideology. Generally it holds true to say that even if the right wishes for a greater state and collectivism in general it still values individual merit and input as well as productivity
I agree that the center is really a floating entity
its defined by the extremes of its opponents
today it lands firmly in what is rationally leftism, and as such is simply watered down leftism
@Bogatyr Bogumir I think that is the opposite of how to look at it. Anarchism has classically been associated with the left
The right values hierarchy
@campodin I mean gneerally you can simply flip the scale as I defined it. Either way I tend to define the extremes as totalitarian vs anarchy. I dont think authoritarianism is the right word
Ok, in that sense maybe.
there’s a reason that left-authoritarianism and left-anarchism are distinguished and same for the right
Left anarchism doesn't and can't exist. Change my mind
many people would see it as left -> anarchy and right -> authoritarian
well communism is supposed to be anarchist in concept
i.e. no state, no money, etc
I figured you would point out that I just contradicted myself
cool
@everyone Daily Question 2 🔖
Which historical figure do you most look up to?
I’ll start
Hitler lol
Thomas Jefferson
Tsar during ww1
@Unter König i literally said that in my head
Lmao
Tsar was incompetent
hitler
hitler