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I would fucking decapitate that little shit.

I would actually impale him on a BBQ skewer, and slow roast him.

@Deleted User so what is the difference between modern and classical liberalism?

Egoism and capitalism

The left wants to steal shit and the right wants to steal less

Or none

classical liberalism is meant to be liberalism from the past, meaning that you'd carry the same ideas of republicans from the 1870s-1970s, a whole century of politics

modern liberalism prides itself on tolerance and progressivism, clasical liberalism no longer says progress as a "good idea"

the ideas of progress have been pushed too far according to many.

@Deleted User does liberty only come through classical liberalism?

well not necessarily

As I see it, Right is based on order, while Left sees order as oppressive. Right is based on morals, but Left sees them as bigoted. And Right sees spirituality as a goal, while Left sees materialism.
Both are different from Liberalism, which is based on chaos and hedonism.

I believe the modern idea of liberty came through whatever ideology the American revolutionaries carried, meanwhile the beginning ideas of freedom were probably Greek

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@Deleted User would you classify classical liberalism as right or left wing?

the political spectrum is constantly shifting with history, at this point classical liberalism is centre-right probably to the Auth-right sector

Yeah that sounds about right

I'm glad that this question though is answerable.

Well, the politics of a society may shift, but there is a true Left/Right. Currently the center is embedded leftward, but that doesn't mean there isn't a true center

otherwise, how would you judge the society moved at all

So you would say that when talking about left and right contextually is just the overton window?

@Diadochi

@Deleted User but you think Liberalism was originally created by the left?

Sure, I suppose @campodin. Most people who call themselves Rightists, I would call Leftists -- and that seems to cover a fair amount of people here as well. They may be "Right" as much as society is concerned, but they aren't actually.

@campodin Id say the division is rather best served with the traditional idea of left -> authoritarianism and right -> Anarchy. Of course this is defining the extremes but when you add say an economic axis then you get something that can actually define a political ideology. Generally it holds true to say that even if the right wishes for a greater state and collectivism in general it still values individual merit and input as well as productivity

I agree that the center is really a floating entity

its defined by the extremes of its opponents

today it lands firmly in what is rationally leftism, and as such is simply watered down leftism

@Bogatyr Bogumir I think that is the opposite of how to look at it. Anarchism has classically been associated with the left

The right values hierarchy

@campodin I mean gneerally you can simply flip the scale as I defined it. Either way I tend to define the extremes as totalitarian vs anarchy. I dont think authoritarianism is the right word

Ok, in that sense maybe.

there’s a reason that left-authoritarianism and left-anarchism are distinguished and same for the right

Left anarchism doesn't and can't exist. Change my mind

many people would see it as left -> anarchy and right -> authoritarian

well communism is supposed to be anarchist in concept

i.e. no state, no money, etc

I figured you would point out that I just contradicted myself

cool

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