Message from @Diadochi
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There was much, much more and the Americas were probably mentioned, but it was most likely destroyed in the centuries to follow
If it was discovered and completely forgetten about for the next upward of a millennium, I'd say the Romans discovery was insignificant
Then you're a fool
The fact they were capable of doing so, and so early on in itself opens up an entirely new area of discussion on roman history
Assuming it was even intentional
Intentional or not, it was achieved
And, sure, it may open a discussion on Roman history, but that's not the topic at hand
No, the topic is on Christopher Columbus, and somebody made the claim he discovered America
I simply pointed out he didn't
Christopher Columbus was the first modern european to reach the new world besides the vikings in north canada
I say modern because of Solutrean exploration
For the intent of this discussion, he practically did. The Romans may or may not have been here, and it was completely forgotten. The Vikings actually created a settlement, and it was completely forgotten. And all those back in Europe and the world at large had no idea both the Romans and Vikings were here. Colombus' final "discovery" was the most significant one
And might as well be considered its actual discovery for what it created and the fact it wasn't forgotten
Yes he is
If something's forgotten, anyway, it has to be "rediscovered"
If it was still common knowledge that there was a new world, settlements would have started shortly after the vikings
Leif Erikson day is tomorrow
I mean knowledge of the new world. Or the other continent existed, especially in cultures that actually went there, there are also maps predating columbus showing the americas. Arent there chinese maps showing it? I guess columbus finally rediscovered it such that it actually spread relatively globally as news
other than that his discovery is literally a rediscovery
There are maps with some piece of land that can't be identified, which some hypothesize is knowledge of the New World. If it was, no one will ever know. Did Zheng He visit the New World? There's no definitive answer.
this whole conversation is completely derailed from the question 😛
So, for my own answer: You could say Columbus was a positive figure, sure. I don't really contend that, per se. He ushered in a new era of exploration, colonization, etc. The emigration from Europe led to the birth of many American, Canadian, etc. scientists, explorers, and more over these past several hundred years.
However, I do look at history and think that the world would have been better off had Europeans stayed in Europe, that the Enlightenment had never happened, etc, etc. This is along the lines of Spengler's "Faustian spirit" of Europeans -- that we traded our soul for knowledge, which Columbus is a part of.
So, while I think fondly of Columbus, I think the world would be better off had he not existed.
Yeah this sounds like my thoughts behind Columbus. <@&452955166493114378>#8735
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Columbus wasn’t nessecarily bad or good
Like natives were gonna come into contact with Europeans eventually either way
And if we’re looking at “we never find America’s” scenario then it’ll literally just be like china(s) 2.0
A large area of land inhabited by strange Asian people who speak hard to understand languages and have their own religion and philosophy but are essential because of the trade they can provide.
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I mean, Columbus was an idiot, it's impossible to deny that
@Moth#4846 Columbus still thought he landed near China even right until he died
that, but he also terribly miscalculated the size of earth
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Columbus is also only a "hero" because of the Catholic Church, but that's another story