Message from @Jackuu

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2018-11-16 00:34:37 UTC  

A proper strategy to use imo would be to increase foreign aid in such countries as that of African ones and for European countries to pursue policies to bring back immigrants of their nationality i.e german americans moving back to Germany etc

2018-11-16 00:35:21 UTC  

It would also be useful to work with nations where the migrants flee from to help them pursue a comprehensive immigration policy

2018-11-16 08:06:03 UTC  

America should just let the world burn. Jk. It should flex because if it won’t someone else will. It just be that way sometimes. Power is the only truth.

2018-11-16 09:34:15 UTC  

Generally any form of imperialism Will lead to the Downfall of said Nation u less they GEnocide the People they are ruling over. Generally speaking strengthen the boarders shoot any one tryong to cross it. Eliminate internal traitors. Boom.

2018-11-16 13:07:05 UTC  

America should just die, North to South, from Anchorage to Ushuaia.

2018-11-16 13:43:44 UTC  

~~Filthy commie scum, McCarty was right all along~~

2018-11-16 14:52:04 UTC  

@everyone Daily Question πŸ”– What would happen if the Genoans and Venetians blocked the Ottomans from escaping to Europe after Timur destroyed the sultan's army? Would they survive or would the Ottomans descend into anarchy, causing the powers of Europe and Asia to carve them up?

2018-11-16 14:52:40 UTC  

fuck kinda question is this

2018-11-16 14:52:49 UTC  

Death

2018-11-16 14:52:51 UTC  

History my dude

2018-11-16 14:52:52 UTC  

the turks had already entrenched themselves in the balkans by that time

2018-11-16 14:53:14 UTC  

That's like asking what if Jeb Stuart's Scouts of 20,000 man were at the Battle of Gettysburg and could have supported Peaks charge hypotheticals about what would have happened to armies in civilizations in different scenarios are impossible to answer because of all the random variables involved overtime

2018-11-16 14:53:48 UTC  

@Jackuu Yes but the only reason they kept it was because Suleynan, Bayzheids son, escapes into Europe

2018-11-16 14:54:50 UTC  

also the european powers had little to no interest in "carving up" anatolia given that it had been thoroughly turkicized in the centuries post-manzikert

2018-11-16 14:55:12 UTC  

the christian powers were more interested in their own affairs than imperialism at that stage

2018-11-16 14:56:00 UTC  

and the osman turks might have been scattered to the winds but the turkish population wasnt going anywhere even if the timurids slapped their shit

2018-11-16 14:56:16 UTC  

someone else would have assumed power i'd imagine

2018-11-16 14:56:44 UTC  

@Jack12 I never said they would take Anatolia. I said they might carve up the Balkans

2018-11-16 14:57:39 UTC  

wel lthe balkans were always shitty and fractured, the italians might have been able to exercise *some* control over the dalmatian coastline but as far as force projection inland <:Doubt:419484038613696532>

2018-11-16 14:58:06 UTC  

also you would have hungary, wallachia, etc vying for control as well

2018-11-16 14:58:24 UTC  

assuming the local macedonians and bulgarians dont go "nuh uh we kingdom now"

2018-11-16 14:59:19 UTC  

Byzantium may take Adrionople and Thessolonikki, Bulgaria might become a nation again(or wallachia/Hungary), Serbia might restart the Serbian Empire. I think Karaman could be in a position to take most of Anatolia. Maybe the Byzantines might get the Christian coast, and Genoa might take some land to protect their Crimean colony

2018-11-16 15:02:37 UTC  

>byzantium

2018-11-16 15:02:59 UTC  

weak and ineffectual even after the restoration of the 1260's

2018-11-16 15:03:08 UTC  

barely a kingdom, much less an empire at that point

2018-11-16 15:03:25 UTC  

4th crusade permanently hobbled the romans

2018-11-16 15:03:53 UTC  

Yes

2018-11-16 15:04:09 UTC  

they had the greek core areas but little else, some outposts on the black sea

2018-11-16 15:04:42 UTC  

bulgaria would def pop up and be annoying, 9-11th centuries they were just constantly rebelling and starting shit

2018-11-16 15:04:57 UTC  

genoa got fucked by the black death anyway

2018-11-16 15:05:35 UTC  

as for anatolia, who knows but it just became a chaotic frontier anyway post-manzikert even after the turks took over

2018-11-16 15:05:49 UTC  

cilicia to armenia was just bandit hell

2018-11-16 15:05:54 UTC  

fortified towns everywhere

2018-11-16 15:06:12 UTC  

anything west of that semi normal but never the way it was under the romans

2018-11-16 15:07:25 UTC  

I don't deny Byzantium was weak.

2018-11-16 15:07:45 UTC  

But they probably might take a tiny bit of Territory

2018-11-16 15:20:35 UTC  

they were in steady and permanent decline

2018-11-16 15:21:24 UTC  

they might have retained greek lands through thessaly, attica, etc but wouldnt have good strong control of the aegean or mediterranean

2018-11-16 15:21:42 UTC  

it was a matter of time before they faded out, 1453 was just a formality

2018-11-16 19:03:12 UTC  

@everyone Daily Question πŸ”–

What is the best way to ensure a fair and free speech internet for all, or should the internet be let loose to corporations?

2018-11-16 19:04:14 UTC  

If the interner should at all exist, then it should be as national *intra*net.