Message from @georgejohnson

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2018-12-10 22:54:37 UTC  

Absolutely not

2018-12-10 22:54:38 UTC  

don't let the gov take advantage of you just because a few brown people threaten to blow up your local walmart

2018-12-10 22:54:39 UTC  

Fuck your liberties

2018-12-10 22:55:15 UTC  

A somalian prophet. Why did you give that woman any rank

2018-12-10 22:55:24 UTC  

wtf

2018-12-10 22:55:26 UTC  

kill t

2018-12-10 22:56:08 UTC  

Yes, liberty is a vague, stupid and ridiculous political goal.

2018-12-10 22:56:32 UTC  

Wellbeing and security for the people are more important.

2018-12-10 22:56:39 UTC  

Security comes first ^

2018-12-10 22:56:54 UTC  

Security is a need not a privilege

2018-12-10 22:57:16 UTC  

Yes

2018-12-10 23:02:44 UTC  

Hmmm, to a certain extent

2018-12-10 23:03:13 UTC  

One of the main problems is trying to balance stability and liberty

2018-12-10 23:04:58 UTC  

Nein.

2018-12-10 23:14:05 UTC  

Security is best provided by oneself or one's family. State should have the ability to enforce emergency restrictions on freedoms, such as quarantines, but going much farther beyond that brings about the nanny state which is of course an abomination.

2018-12-10 23:14:47 UTC  

depends what the relation of the state is to the people., if the people agree, if this is a permanent restriction.

If the state is not directly responsible to the people at all times then this is an issue, this is not security but rather generation of an internal threat alongside external ones.

If the people commonly agree upon laws, we are placing restrictions that are enforced top down, however this is in common agreement. The irony here is that such restrictions would be in the form of mandatory military service for all fit men over the age of 18, such as one year in the military training, ad then monthly training thereafter. This is an objective restriction of rights, however it is commonly agreed upon as a duty, to increase collective security. As such this restriction simultaneously mandates collective participation and enforcement.

And also if a restriction is temporary, then it is temporary however it requires a gov that is responsive to the people, there needs to be connection in this system because if there isnt, then the quote of selling liberty for security, and ending up with neither holds true.

2018-12-10 23:14:52 UTC  

The church should handle the 10% people voluntarily give in tithes to actually help people instead of leaving it to the goverment who will waste a much higher amount of money. In exchange you go to church on sunday

2018-12-10 23:16:05 UTC  

That's a good point about military or civil service being legitimate

2018-12-10 23:16:28 UTC  

I think mandatory service upon adulthood would be a good thing for any country

2018-12-10 23:18:16 UTC  

It's also important to have different standards for different population densities, which is accomplished by keeping the bulk of state power at the local level.

2018-12-10 23:25:27 UTC  

The problem with keeping state power locally is you can’t get a unified or strong country that way

2018-12-10 23:41:26 UTC  

daily question is reliant on
a) who is currently in control of the state
b) who's liberties are being revoked

2018-12-10 23:56:38 UTC  

Yes the country should come before the individual, but the government shouldn’t needlessly revoke some liberties to benefit individuals.

2018-12-10 23:57:41 UTC  

I mean during certain situations, like a Homeland invasion, it'd make sense to revoke nearly all rights including trial, speech, press, in order to facilitate a victory

2018-12-10 23:59:09 UTC  

Of course at that point no one would give a hoot if your neighbour gets to keep there gun if they are sympathizing with an invading force.

2018-12-11 00:00:11 UTC  

Personally I think drug dealers need to be suspended their right to trial

2018-12-11 00:00:23 UTC  

And suppliers

2018-12-11 00:35:38 UTC  

That is a good idea, but would this extend to non-lethal drugs?

2018-12-11 06:14:24 UTC  

We give up our right to smuggle explosives in our luggage, while also giving up our rights to our full body scans. As to what the hell the TSA uses our full body scans for, one can only imagine. It may or may not be used for research purposes.

2018-12-11 12:10:52 UTC  

>right to smuggle explosives

2018-12-11 12:11:08 UTC  

As for full body scans fuck them

2018-12-11 19:44:11 UTC  

@everyone Daily Question 🔖

-At what age should a child, rather than the parent, be held responsible for it’s crimes and to what extent?

2018-12-11 19:44:23 UTC  

1st

2018-12-11 19:44:24 UTC  

16

2018-12-11 19:44:27 UTC  

12*

2018-12-11 19:44:34 UTC  

What do you mean?

2018-12-11 19:44:36 UTC  

4

2018-12-11 19:44:36 UTC  

LOL NO AGE. WELCOME TO ANCAPISTAN

2018-12-11 19:44:37 UTC  

12

2018-12-11 19:44:39 UTC  

4

2018-12-11 19:45:05 UTC  

The only thing Hitler did wrong was not to do the holocaust