Message from @CALEB3613

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2018-12-11 21:22:21 UTC  

Gentile ghost wrote some of Mussolini's writings

2018-12-11 21:22:52 UTC  

the problem is that marx actually lays out a number of prerequisites for communism or socialism to actually work - one of which he said would *probably* come during the industrial revolution

2018-12-11 21:22:55 UTC  

the thing is, it didn't

2018-12-11 21:23:06 UTC  

even by marx's perspective communism and socialism still could not work

2018-12-11 21:23:07 UTC  

It usually appears in ass backwards countries, yes

2018-12-11 21:23:10 UTC  

Gentile wasn’t Italian government, and Mussolini took main credit as president or whatever of italy.

2018-12-11 21:23:39 UTC  

Pretty sure Mussolini appointed him at some point, did he not?

2018-12-11 21:23:39 UTC  

this is all assuming marx was right (for the sake of argument), he'd still be in a position of saying communism and socialism can't work even today

2018-12-11 21:23:47 UTC  

So in my opinion, since gentile never put it into rule but Mussuolini did.....

2018-12-11 21:23:55 UTC  

but if marx would be against communism/socialism today, then that says it all tbh 😂

2018-12-11 21:24:19 UTC  

Mussolini's brand of fascism was a mix of corporatism (state capitalism) and state socialism

2018-12-11 21:24:34 UTC  

It was more of a mixed economy

2018-12-11 21:24:43 UTC  

that statement kinda highlights why I see socialism and fascism so similarly

2018-12-11 21:24:55 UTC  

I don't really see it that way

2018-12-11 21:25:04 UTC  

They are very similar

2018-12-11 21:25:07 UTC  

but can you understand why it can be seen that way?

2018-12-11 21:25:09 UTC  

yes

2018-12-11 21:25:21 UTC  

As evidenced in here, libertarians are politically illiterate

2018-12-11 21:25:26 UTC  

In fact the creator of fascism was a socialist

2018-12-11 21:25:51 UTC  

How many times is this stupid argument going to be brought up

2018-12-11 21:25:58 UTC  

Giovanni gentile

2018-12-11 21:26:10 UTC  

did you watch that in prageru

2018-12-11 21:26:33 UTC  

He has franco as his avi

2018-12-11 21:26:43 UTC  

Gentile later changed his mind anyways

2018-12-11 21:26:56 UTC  

before he created fascism

2018-12-11 21:27:41 UTC  

Fascism could be applied to both a left or right economic system

2018-12-11 21:28:12 UTC  

Yeah has just been more used for right wing in the past

2018-12-11 21:28:46 UTC  

But in most cases like for Mussolini the government invested in certain Industries

2018-12-11 21:29:06 UTC  

Which is generally a left wing thing

2018-12-11 21:29:23 UTC  

Id assume militant industries or industries that benefit the country?

2018-12-11 21:29:36 UTC  

no

2018-12-11 21:29:41 UTC  

Well

2018-12-11 21:29:50 UTC  

I misread what you wrote, nvmd

2018-12-11 21:29:52 UTC  

Yeah nazi Germany invested in stuff like that

2018-12-11 21:30:02 UTC  

Nazi Germany was a private enterprise driven economy

2018-12-11 21:30:10 UTC  

at best it was corporatist

2018-12-11 21:30:12 UTC  

at best

2018-12-11 21:30:13 UTC  

that is

2018-12-11 21:30:17 UTC  

Yes. Its a left wing thing to do but the thing is its all for the defence and profit of their country.

2018-12-11 21:30:19 UTC  

it was really just capitalism

2018-12-11 21:30:43 UTC  

Thats a part of what fascism is, they want their country in constant defence mode and ready to attack.