Message from @Snakeisninja

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2018-09-12 20:02:20 UTC  

Voting isn't a right. The fact we treat it as such is our problem

2018-09-12 20:02:26 UTC  

They have lost the will to live as a civilization

2018-09-12 20:02:41 UTC  

So... Either we accept the rule of nobility, and inheritance, or we give people the vote.

2018-09-12 20:02:56 UTC  

And that was like...

2018-09-12 20:03:05 UTC  

They view replacement by non whites and their impending minority status as a moral crusade

2018-09-12 20:03:05 UTC  

Maybe a few thousand people.

2018-09-12 20:03:12 UTC  

Over millions.

2018-09-12 20:03:18 UTC  

Same issue as anything.

2018-09-12 20:03:20 UTC  

You can have nobility and voting, mixed government

2018-09-12 20:03:28 UTC  

This is their ultimate calling in life they think they're being heroes

2018-09-12 20:03:31 UTC  

Okay...

2018-09-12 20:03:38 UTC  

But how do you decide who gets to vote?

2018-09-12 20:03:50 UTC  

By...

2018-09-12 20:03:54 UTC  

We're jumping between a lot of topics

2018-09-12 20:03:56 UTC  

Inheritance.

2018-09-12 20:04:00 UTC  

?

2018-09-12 20:04:20 UTC  

I get lost a lot.

2018-09-12 20:04:31 UTC  

I'm not sure how it goes so far off track.

2018-09-12 20:04:36 UTC  

I just want answers.

2018-09-12 20:04:39 UTC  

Land owners, those who aren't a negative contributors into the system

2018-09-12 20:04:43 UTC  

First of all people give voting too much credit. Don't be fooled, voting means far less than you think

2018-09-12 20:04:44 UTC  

And if I get them, I'm happy enough.

2018-09-12 20:04:58 UTC  

Okay, but how did those people get the land?

2018-09-12 20:05:03 UTC  

Usually by...

2018-09-12 20:05:08 UTC  

Inheritance.

2018-09-12 20:05:10 UTC  

?

2018-09-12 20:05:16 UTC  

Not necessarily

2018-09-12 20:05:20 UTC  

It's mostly a token gesture given by the elites to the masses to pacify them

2018-09-12 20:05:52 UTC  

So if you vote in one leader that is a different faction from the nobility, what do you think will happen?

2018-09-12 20:05:52 UTC  

Imo land ownership should be restricted to citizens

2018-09-12 20:05:58 UTC  

They'll split.

2018-09-12 20:05:58 UTC  

If push comes to shove and the elites reject the masses desires the elites will make sure it never comes to it's fruition

2018-09-12 20:06:06 UTC  

And you'll have the same issue.

2018-09-12 20:06:43 UTC  

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 what are you talking about?

2018-09-12 20:06:58 UTC  

There are all kinds of tricks and behind the scenes ways of manipulating "democracy"

2018-09-12 20:07:17 UTC  

Well, in a mixed government, you have inherited titles, and you have people who are voted in by the civilians.

2018-09-12 20:07:34 UTC  

How do you keep the power balance?

2018-09-12 20:07:47 UTC  

@Snakeisninja yeah, voting should really be restricted in scope. To seem as meaningless as it really is

2018-09-12 20:07:49 UTC  

Even if every official position is filled by someone who wants X agenda, there are unofficial positions too and those are firmly in the hands of elites

2018-09-12 20:08:02 UTC  

How do you force both parties to honour one another's power?

2018-09-12 20:08:13 UTC  

The $ for example, campaigns are financed by donors