Message from @Summī Imperator, 呪い殿

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2018-09-12 20:03:50 UTC  

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2018-09-12 20:03:54 UTC  

We're jumping between a lot of topics

2018-09-12 20:03:56 UTC  

Inheritance.

2018-09-12 20:04:00 UTC  

?

2018-09-12 20:04:20 UTC  

I get lost a lot.

2018-09-12 20:04:31 UTC  

I'm not sure how it goes so far off track.

2018-09-12 20:04:36 UTC  

I just want answers.

2018-09-12 20:04:39 UTC  

Land owners, those who aren't a negative contributors into the system

2018-09-12 20:04:43 UTC  

First of all people give voting too much credit. Don't be fooled, voting means far less than you think

2018-09-12 20:04:44 UTC  

And if I get them, I'm happy enough.

2018-09-12 20:04:58 UTC  

Okay, but how did those people get the land?

2018-09-12 20:05:03 UTC  

Usually by...

2018-09-12 20:05:08 UTC  

Inheritance.

2018-09-12 20:05:10 UTC  

?

2018-09-12 20:05:16 UTC  

Not necessarily

2018-09-12 20:05:20 UTC  

It's mostly a token gesture given by the elites to the masses to pacify them

2018-09-12 20:05:52 UTC  

So if you vote in one leader that is a different faction from the nobility, what do you think will happen?

2018-09-12 20:05:52 UTC  

Imo land ownership should be restricted to citizens

2018-09-12 20:05:58 UTC  

They'll split.

2018-09-12 20:05:58 UTC  

If push comes to shove and the elites reject the masses desires the elites will make sure it never comes to it's fruition

2018-09-12 20:06:06 UTC  

And you'll have the same issue.

2018-09-12 20:06:43 UTC  

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 what are you talking about?

2018-09-12 20:06:58 UTC  

There are all kinds of tricks and behind the scenes ways of manipulating "democracy"

2018-09-12 20:07:17 UTC  

Well, in a mixed government, you have inherited titles, and you have people who are voted in by the civilians.

2018-09-12 20:07:34 UTC  

How do you keep the power balance?

2018-09-12 20:07:47 UTC  

@Snakeisninja yeah, voting should really be restricted in scope. To seem as meaningless as it really is

2018-09-12 20:07:49 UTC  

Even if every official position is filled by someone who wants X agenda, there are unofficial positions too and those are firmly in the hands of elites

2018-09-12 20:08:02 UTC  

How do you force both parties to honour one another's power?

2018-09-12 20:08:13 UTC  

The $ for example, campaigns are financed by donors

2018-09-12 20:08:52 UTC  

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 they need delineated powers.

2018-09-12 20:09:15 UTC  

If the elites are desperate they can put their vast wealth to use and withdraw all funds from the candidate/official or initiate a scandal and have the official removed

2018-09-12 20:09:20 UTC  

That wasn't the question.

2018-09-12 20:09:22 UTC  

That's the point of a mixed government, each group has specific powers and responsibilities

2018-09-12 20:09:31 UTC  

How do you make them respect eachother.

2018-09-12 20:09:44 UTC  

Why do they need to respect each other?

2018-09-12 20:09:44 UTC  

And keep that respect.

2018-09-12 20:09:52 UTC  

The illusion that democracy is what it appears to be is ridiculous. It's just a cute fiction

2018-09-12 20:09:58 UTC  

When some titles are hereditary?

2018-09-12 20:10:11 UTC  

You want them to be in conflict, that way they don't get anything done

2018-09-12 20:10:24 UTC  

Because otherwise one group will eventually look to seize control.

2018-09-12 20:10:46 UTC  

Wha-