Message from @campodin

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2018-09-12 20:06:43 UTC  

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 what are you talking about?

2018-09-12 20:06:58 UTC  

There are all kinds of tricks and behind the scenes ways of manipulating "democracy"

2018-09-12 20:07:17 UTC  

Well, in a mixed government, you have inherited titles, and you have people who are voted in by the civilians.

2018-09-12 20:07:34 UTC  

How do you keep the power balance?

2018-09-12 20:07:47 UTC  

@Snakeisninja yeah, voting should really be restricted in scope. To seem as meaningless as it really is

2018-09-12 20:07:49 UTC  

Even if every official position is filled by someone who wants X agenda, there are unofficial positions too and those are firmly in the hands of elites

2018-09-12 20:08:02 UTC  

How do you force both parties to honour one another's power?

2018-09-12 20:08:13 UTC  

The $ for example, campaigns are financed by donors

2018-09-12 20:08:52 UTC  

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 they need delineated powers.

2018-09-12 20:09:15 UTC  

If the elites are desperate they can put their vast wealth to use and withdraw all funds from the candidate/official or initiate a scandal and have the official removed

2018-09-12 20:09:20 UTC  

That wasn't the question.

2018-09-12 20:09:22 UTC  

That's the point of a mixed government, each group has specific powers and responsibilities

2018-09-12 20:09:31 UTC  

How do you make them respect eachother.

2018-09-12 20:09:44 UTC  

Why do they need to respect each other?

2018-09-12 20:09:44 UTC  

And keep that respect.

2018-09-12 20:09:52 UTC  

The illusion that democracy is what it appears to be is ridiculous. It's just a cute fiction

2018-09-12 20:09:58 UTC  

When some titles are hereditary?

2018-09-12 20:10:11 UTC  

You want them to be in conflict, that way they don't get anything done

2018-09-12 20:10:24 UTC  

Because otherwise one group will eventually look to seize control.

2018-09-12 20:10:46 UTC  

Wha-

2018-09-12 20:10:47 UTC  

That is always happening

2018-09-12 20:11:33 UTC  

Look, every system has "undemocratic" authority behind it somewhere

2018-09-12 20:12:01 UTC  

It's an omnipresent reality of power

2018-09-12 20:13:01 UTC  

Somebody will be in charge either openly or behind the scenes and if people get in the way of the Elite's agenda then the elite will deal with them or be replaced by a new elite

2018-09-12 20:13:19 UTC  

Better to have the elites out in the open

2018-09-12 20:13:36 UTC  

@campodin it would be more honest

2018-09-12 20:13:49 UTC  

That's why I want an aristocratic class

2018-09-12 20:14:01 UTC  

Well we have one but it's secret

2018-09-12 20:14:16 UTC  

And their agenda blows

2018-09-12 20:15:14 UTC  

Did you watch distributists why he doesn't vote video?

2018-09-12 20:16:07 UTC  

That finally started black pilling me on voting

2018-09-12 20:16:39 UTC  

I just want voting as an opiate for the masses

2018-09-12 20:16:56 UTC  

Let them feel like they have some say

2018-09-12 20:27:49 UTC  

I mean there's no PROBLEM with voting I suppose, like if you like a candidate vote for them

2018-09-12 20:27:58 UTC  

But just keep it real

2018-09-12 20:29:19 UTC  

@campodin and I think the Distributist was very naive to think that regular people can scare politicians with letters and phone calls

2018-09-12 20:29:35 UTC  

Like to actually cause them to change their agenda

2018-09-12 20:29:52 UTC  

At best they'll hesitate a bit and reevaluate when the time to act is

2018-09-12 20:29:52 UTC  

Yeah, they just care to appease their base

2018-09-12 20:30:22 UTC  

If you aren't the targeted base, then they don't care

2018-09-12 20:30:33 UTC  

The agenda is decided by people above their paygrade who gave them the job