Well those people do it with the intention of "keeping blacks in their place" and from "hurting white people" etc

Most evil men throughout history had a selfless aspect to their ideology @SilverLining

Russian Empire should be revived

some kind, at least

Why do you think Hitler killed so many people?

Because he thought the world would be better if he did

To "help" another group of people

Again, he didn't really care about said other group

or their wellbeing

Which is what I'm trying to emphasize.

Okay, well then that's not the same as "striving for the greatest possible happiness for all"

There is a fine line, but it's there

"the greatest possible happiness for all" would include incorporating everyone, regardless of any innate factors

The logic that classical liberals used, was along the lines of, the poor should not be helped because it will extend their suffering to everyone else, right?

rather than just a portion of people

And what if one argues that doing so is a net negative?

That and also the belief the poor could help themselves. There wasn't any legal subjugation or discrimination against the poor among classical liberals

as in, it hurts more people than it helps

Not to mention, notions of charity

Right, but a laissez-faire attitude isn't equitable to legal discrimination

I've always believed, and it may be me projecting my past beliefs, that Leftist thought is tied to the inability to recognize that they aren't the only ones who believe in the "Let's make the world a better place!" song and dance.

I can see a counterargument against my second point, the economic equality, but in terms of legal status, it's difficult to really contend this

It would explain the black and white mentality

The thing is

In many notions of "making the world a better place", particular segments of society are left out or excluded

Solely to "benefit" another group

I used to be pretty damned far right, honestly

I don't identify with the right

the right has destroyed nationalism

I was simply trying to reveal that I haven't always been leftist - I know many on the right seek a better world, but said methods often involved the complete neglect, if not outright oppression of other groups

I suppose some segments had an almost misguided paternalistic attitude on certain issues, but many did not, and simply favored neglect.

Laws of economics dictate that the lot of all can never be equal and prosperous. They cant be both.

And besides, if you fatten the masses with luxuries (not possible, but if) then whats there to strive for anyway? Whats the goal of such a society? To help mankind feed their appetites? The nature of mankind is that of an ever expanding appetite. No man finds fulfillment without God.

Shitty take

Kill yourself pareto misconstruer

@Jay1532

@PebbЛe @Deleted User great rebuttal, my dudes

I don't believe in God, but I don't see a point in arguing whether or not he exists. Religion often functions as a social glue. I think the government should be secular, but religion should certainly be there.

Thats a fair position, but i disagree that the government should be secular. I dont think the church should run the government, but religious doctrine should be integrated at every level. Without religious vow taking and symbolism, individuals reigns supreme and exacerbates the principle-agent problem in government.

The best alignment of interests with regards to the principle agent problem is, of course, monarchy, wherein the problem in theory disappears altogether.

It is not the states job to mandate worship. However, it should reflect the religion of the nation. The United States in its origin was Christian at every level while not mandating religious beliefs to any citizen.

no, but you said in government