Message from @campodin

Discord ID: 494355877982240768


2018-09-26 03:44:08 UTC  

Yeah, I want those things too

2018-09-26 03:44:44 UTC  

But I don't want a shitty law that stops me from entering office just because I'm an Athiest. Why can't we be free religiously?

2018-09-26 03:45:38 UTC  

The individuals can be free to worship however they please.

2018-09-26 03:45:38 UTC  

☭ ☭ ☭

2018-09-26 03:46:08 UTC  

But they can't enter office? And they can't build a religious temple?

2018-09-26 03:47:10 UTC  

That's not "free to worship" that's "free to be fucked over."

2018-09-26 03:47:11 UTC  

Honestly the building of religious buildings should fall under the authority of local government, not state, federal, etc.

2018-09-26 03:47:36 UTC  

It should fall under the authority of people and whether or not they can acquire the land.

2018-09-26 03:48:10 UTC  

Why does the state need to enter the equation?

2018-09-26 03:48:26 UTC  

I chose a mosque for a specific reason

2018-09-26 03:49:13 UTC  

They do religious calls to prayer that aren't restricted to their premises

2018-09-26 03:49:25 UTC  

They can call to prayer wherever they like.

2018-09-26 03:49:36 UTC  

They can pray wherever

2018-09-26 03:50:03 UTC  

But making a call to prayer that goes out over entire communities is different

2018-09-26 03:50:23 UTC  

_Why?_

2018-09-26 03:50:55 UTC  

These discussions always go back to why. I don't want a surface level, "because it's bad" or "muh feels." Something substantive, deeper.

2018-09-26 03:51:29 UTC  

When they are not in a specifically muslim community it is an imposition of their religious practice on others

2018-09-26 03:52:34 UTC  

They can't enter another's land against their will... I agree with you there. But if by "community" you mean a town owned by the state, these Muslims can do whatever.

2018-09-26 03:53:02 UTC  

and if they have built a large enough community inside another nation to warrant having a mosque to serve them, then you have the problem of minority communities

2018-09-26 03:53:23 UTC  

Minority communities can do whatever, my only problem is when the state starts pandering.

2018-09-26 03:53:45 UTC  

minority communities have much larger implications

2018-09-26 03:54:19 UTC  

Very.

2018-09-26 03:55:28 UTC  

*sigh*

2018-09-26 03:55:33 UTC  

Continue

2018-09-26 03:57:06 UTC  

having significant minority communities reduces societal trust, and thus social cohesion

2018-09-26 03:57:24 UTC  

"These discussions always go back to why. I don't want a surface level, "because it's bad" or "muh feels." Something substantive, deeper."

2018-09-26 03:57:34 UTC  

Why's it bad.

2018-09-26 03:57:34 UTC  

which leads to all sorts of negative effects

2018-09-26 03:57:39 UTC  

Good.

2018-09-26 03:58:25 UTC  

So you want to violate people's liberty saying they can't live in certain places outside of their own 'nation?'

2018-09-26 03:58:47 UTC  

Never said that

2018-09-26 03:59:03 UTC  

So what's your solution to minority communities?

2018-09-26 03:59:25 UTC  

However, people don't have a right to enter a nation and live among them.

2018-09-26 03:59:52 UTC  

They are free to enter any community that accepts them

2018-09-26 03:59:53 UTC  

So you want to tell them where they can live? And they do have that right, freedom of movement.

2018-09-26 04:00:08 UTC  

Does someone own the community?

2018-09-26 04:01:19 UTC  

Communities have collective self determination. They can choose restrictions for entry.

2018-09-26 04:02:06 UTC  

How do you decide who is inside the 'Community'/'Nation.?'

2018-09-26 04:02:22 UTC  

Because most communities don't work this way.

2018-09-26 04:02:46 UTC  

Most are cancerous and self destructive

2018-09-26 04:04:33 UTC  

This system you're proposing sounds broken. We have communities that decide who lives who and this is backed by state power, we should be sure that no none Christians should enter office, all I am asking is _why!_ Why is there less of a problem with muslim communities in the states, _even though_ America lets them enter into the country and its politics?