Message from @Zayan Watchel

Discord ID: 494355578165133333


2018-09-26 03:43:15 UTC  

But that's not what I'm advocating for. I want to abolish all social programs and strengthen the borders.

2018-09-26 03:43:17 UTC  

@The Big Oof still think I'm a lolbert?

2018-09-26 03:43:38 UTC  

Boblert.

2018-09-26 03:44:08 UTC  

Yeah, I want those things too

2018-09-26 03:44:44 UTC  

But I don't want a shitty law that stops me from entering office just because I'm an Athiest. Why can't we be free religiously?

2018-09-26 03:45:38 UTC  

The individuals can be free to worship however they please.

2018-09-26 03:45:38 UTC  

☭ ☭ ☭

2018-09-26 03:46:08 UTC  

But they can't enter office? And they can't build a religious temple?

2018-09-26 03:47:10 UTC  

That's not "free to worship" that's "free to be fucked over."

2018-09-26 03:47:11 UTC  

Honestly the building of religious buildings should fall under the authority of local government, not state, federal, etc.

2018-09-26 03:47:36 UTC  

It should fall under the authority of people and whether or not they can acquire the land.

2018-09-26 03:48:10 UTC  

Why does the state need to enter the equation?

2018-09-26 03:48:26 UTC  

I chose a mosque for a specific reason

2018-09-26 03:49:13 UTC  

They do religious calls to prayer that aren't restricted to their premises

2018-09-26 03:49:25 UTC  

They can call to prayer wherever they like.

2018-09-26 03:49:36 UTC  

They can pray wherever

2018-09-26 03:50:03 UTC  

But making a call to prayer that goes out over entire communities is different

2018-09-26 03:50:23 UTC  

_Why?_

2018-09-26 03:50:55 UTC  

These discussions always go back to why. I don't want a surface level, "because it's bad" or "muh feels." Something substantive, deeper.

2018-09-26 03:51:29 UTC  

When they are not in a specifically muslim community it is an imposition of their religious practice on others

2018-09-26 03:52:34 UTC  

They can't enter another's land against their will... I agree with you there. But if by "community" you mean a town owned by the state, these Muslims can do whatever.

2018-09-26 03:53:02 UTC  

and if they have built a large enough community inside another nation to warrant having a mosque to serve them, then you have the problem of minority communities

2018-09-26 03:53:23 UTC  

Minority communities can do whatever, my only problem is when the state starts pandering.

2018-09-26 03:53:45 UTC  

minority communities have much larger implications

2018-09-26 03:54:19 UTC  

Very.

2018-09-26 03:55:28 UTC  

*sigh*

2018-09-26 03:55:33 UTC  

Continue

2018-09-26 03:57:06 UTC  

having significant minority communities reduces societal trust, and thus social cohesion

2018-09-26 03:57:24 UTC  

"These discussions always go back to why. I don't want a surface level, "because it's bad" or "muh feels." Something substantive, deeper."

2018-09-26 03:57:34 UTC  

Why's it bad.

2018-09-26 03:57:34 UTC  

which leads to all sorts of negative effects

2018-09-26 03:57:39 UTC  

Good.

2018-09-26 03:58:25 UTC  

So you want to violate people's liberty saying they can't live in certain places outside of their own 'nation?'

2018-09-26 03:58:47 UTC  

Never said that

2018-09-26 03:59:03 UTC  

So what's your solution to minority communities?

2018-09-26 03:59:25 UTC  

However, people don't have a right to enter a nation and live among them.

2018-09-26 03:59:52 UTC  

They are free to enter any community that accepts them

2018-09-26 03:59:53 UTC  

So you want to tell them where they can live? And they do have that right, freedom of movement.

2018-09-26 04:00:08 UTC  

Does someone own the community?

2018-09-26 04:01:19 UTC  

Communities have collective self determination. They can choose restrictions for entry.

2018-09-26 04:02:06 UTC  

How do you decide who is inside the 'Community'/'Nation.?'