Message from @campodin

Discord ID: 494354538275274762


2018-09-26 03:38:10 UTC  

On principle you would have no problem with a mosque being built in the community

2018-09-26 03:38:23 UTC  

Correct!

2018-09-26 03:38:32 UTC  

As long as a church can also be built.

2018-09-26 03:38:32 UTC  

This is why, you don't have the nation in mind

2018-09-26 03:38:40 UTC  

Sure, now why is that bad?

2018-09-26 03:40:32 UTC  

You are undermining the nation, breaking down its identity, and devolving what it means to be a part of it. This is why you Canadians are such cucks, you can't see why your own nation is falling apart. You have no sense of self preservation.

2018-09-26 03:41:11 UTC  

No, not really and I can get to why exactly in a moment. But the first bit is just a reactionary, moral, and emotional statement. Justify it.

2018-09-26 03:42:46 UTC  

Look at Canada, and every western nation, this insistence on liberal secularism is a complete failure.

2018-09-26 03:43:15 UTC  

But that's not what I'm advocating for. I want to abolish all social programs and strengthen the borders.

2018-09-26 03:43:17 UTC  

@The Big Oof still think I'm a lolbert?

2018-09-26 03:43:38 UTC  

Boblert.

2018-09-26 03:44:08 UTC  

Yeah, I want those things too

2018-09-26 03:44:44 UTC  

But I don't want a shitty law that stops me from entering office just because I'm an Athiest. Why can't we be free religiously?

2018-09-26 03:45:38 UTC  

The individuals can be free to worship however they please.

2018-09-26 03:45:38 UTC  

☭ ☭ ☭

2018-09-26 03:46:08 UTC  

But they can't enter office? And they can't build a religious temple?

2018-09-26 03:47:10 UTC  

That's not "free to worship" that's "free to be fucked over."

2018-09-26 03:47:11 UTC  

Honestly the building of religious buildings should fall under the authority of local government, not state, federal, etc.

2018-09-26 03:47:36 UTC  

It should fall under the authority of people and whether or not they can acquire the land.

2018-09-26 03:48:10 UTC  

Why does the state need to enter the equation?

2018-09-26 03:48:26 UTC  

I chose a mosque for a specific reason

2018-09-26 03:49:13 UTC  

They do religious calls to prayer that aren't restricted to their premises

2018-09-26 03:49:25 UTC  

They can call to prayer wherever they like.

2018-09-26 03:49:36 UTC  

They can pray wherever

2018-09-26 03:50:03 UTC  

But making a call to prayer that goes out over entire communities is different

2018-09-26 03:50:23 UTC  

_Why?_

2018-09-26 03:50:55 UTC  

These discussions always go back to why. I don't want a surface level, "because it's bad" or "muh feels." Something substantive, deeper.

2018-09-26 03:51:29 UTC  

When they are not in a specifically muslim community it is an imposition of their religious practice on others

2018-09-26 03:52:34 UTC  

They can't enter another's land against their will... I agree with you there. But if by "community" you mean a town owned by the state, these Muslims can do whatever.

2018-09-26 03:53:02 UTC  

and if they have built a large enough community inside another nation to warrant having a mosque to serve them, then you have the problem of minority communities

2018-09-26 03:53:23 UTC  

Minority communities can do whatever, my only problem is when the state starts pandering.

2018-09-26 03:53:45 UTC  

minority communities have much larger implications

2018-09-26 03:54:19 UTC  

Very.

2018-09-26 03:55:28 UTC  

*sigh*

2018-09-26 03:55:33 UTC  

Continue

2018-09-26 03:57:06 UTC  

having significant minority communities reduces societal trust, and thus social cohesion

2018-09-26 03:57:24 UTC  

"These discussions always go back to why. I don't want a surface level, "because it's bad" or "muh feels." Something substantive, deeper."

2018-09-26 03:57:34 UTC  

Why's it bad.

2018-09-26 03:57:34 UTC  

which leads to all sorts of negative effects

2018-09-26 03:57:39 UTC  

Good.

2018-09-26 03:58:25 UTC  

So you want to violate people's liberty saying they can't live in certain places outside of their own 'nation?'