Message from @campodin
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Look at Canada, and every western nation, this insistence on liberal secularism is a complete failure.
But that's not what I'm advocating for. I want to abolish all social programs and strengthen the borders.
@The Big Oof still think I'm a lolbert?
Boblert.
Yeah, I want those things too
But I don't want a shitty law that stops me from entering office just because I'm an Athiest. Why can't we be free religiously?
The individuals can be free to worship however they please.
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But they can't enter office? And they can't build a religious temple?
That's not "free to worship" that's "free to be fucked over."
Honestly the building of religious buildings should fall under the authority of local government, not state, federal, etc.
It should fall under the authority of people and whether or not they can acquire the land.
Why does the state need to enter the equation?
I chose a mosque for a specific reason
They do religious calls to prayer that aren't restricted to their premises
They can call to prayer wherever they like.
They can pray wherever
But making a call to prayer that goes out over entire communities is different
_Why?_
These discussions always go back to why. I don't want a surface level, "because it's bad" or "muh feels." Something substantive, deeper.
When they are not in a specifically muslim community it is an imposition of their religious practice on others
They can't enter another's land against their will... I agree with you there. But if by "community" you mean a town owned by the state, these Muslims can do whatever.
and if they have built a large enough community inside another nation to warrant having a mosque to serve them, then you have the problem of minority communities
Minority communities can do whatever, my only problem is when the state starts pandering.
minority communities have much larger implications
Very.
*sigh*
Continue
having significant minority communities reduces societal trust, and thus social cohesion
"These discussions always go back to why. I don't want a surface level, "because it's bad" or "muh feels." Something substantive, deeper."
Why's it bad.
which leads to all sorts of negative effects
Good.
So you want to violate people's liberty saying they can't live in certain places outside of their own 'nation?'
Never said that
So what's your solution to minority communities?
However, people don't have a right to enter a nation and live among them.
They are free to enter any community that accepts them
So you want to tell them where they can live? And they do have that right, freedom of movement.
Does someone own the community?
Communities have collective self determination. They can choose restrictions for entry.