Message from @Silkiri

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2018-11-13 03:25:22 UTC  

Because Lenin had to spend a significant portion of his time in political exile in Germany

2018-11-13 03:25:36 UTC  

and the only real choices of countries he had

2018-11-13 03:25:43 UTC  

Were like Switzerland and Germany

2018-11-13 03:26:00 UTC  

That's just not the case Silk.

2018-11-13 03:26:01 UTC  

If you wanted to get back to Russia in a timely manner if called upon

2018-11-13 03:26:19 UTC  

You can't live out your days in Italy in those times

2018-11-13 03:26:25 UTC  

unless you want to live there permanently

2018-11-13 03:26:39 UTC  

Italy was underdeveloped af

2018-11-13 03:26:45 UTC  

That's not why

2018-11-13 03:26:56 UTC  

Germany fully intended Lenin to win the revolution

2018-11-13 03:27:19 UTC  

Even, EVEN assuming they didnt intend for him to win, its clear from the transcripts that it would've been benefical to Germany either way

2018-11-13 03:27:51 UTC  

It was more like "we need Lenin to cause turmoil, and if he wins, even better"

2018-11-13 03:28:06 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452955229227319306/511744037284216842/unknown.png

2018-11-13 03:30:09 UTC  
2018-11-13 03:30:14 UTC  

We're talking about germany

2018-11-13 03:30:17 UTC  

Yes we are

2018-11-13 03:30:18 UTC  

dont point fingers

2018-11-13 03:30:28 UTC  

oH buT tHeY diD iT tOo

2018-11-13 03:30:38 UTC  

Anon they had to cut a deal with the German Empire

2018-11-13 03:30:45 UTC  

to avoid being overthrown

2018-11-13 03:30:51 UTC  

known as the treaty of brest-livotsk

2018-11-13 03:31:24 UTC  

It's quite obvious the Germans weren't pro Bolshevik

2018-11-13 03:31:59 UTC  

I really recommend you drop this argument as it is pretty much indefensible to take the position that the Germans wanted a Communist revolution

2018-11-13 03:32:12 UTC  

Did you not read what i said?

2018-11-13 03:32:19 UTC  

It was more like "we need Lenin to cause turmoil, and if he wins, even better"

2018-11-13 03:32:33 UTC  

How

2018-11-13 03:32:44 UTC  

That's an even more indefensible position

2018-11-13 03:32:54 UTC  

Are you saying they didnt want Lenin to cause turmoil?

2018-11-13 03:32:55 UTC  

Germany ABSOLUTELY did not want a communist uprising

2018-11-13 03:33:09 UTC  

They wanted turmoil in Russia just enough to make them drop out of the war

2018-11-13 03:33:18 UTC  

That was the sole goal not to change the regime

2018-11-13 03:33:21 UTC  

Lenin as a revolutionary is completley negated because he wasnt

2018-11-13 03:33:24 UTC  

He was a german agent

2018-11-13 03:33:27 UTC  

oh my god

2018-11-13 03:33:51 UTC  

no he obviously wasn't.

2018-11-13 03:34:30 UTC  

Direct funding from germans, sent by germans, safe keeping by the germans

2018-11-13 03:34:33 UTC  

Whatever

2018-11-13 03:34:47 UTC  

You'll convert to the right eventually as i did

2018-11-13 03:35:07 UTC  

or not

2018-11-13 03:35:17 UTC  

Anon if you want to convert someone to the right

2018-11-13 03:35:24 UTC  

first begin by using facts here