Message from @Silkiri

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2018-11-13 03:20:06 UTC  

Germany had to deal with numerous strikes and protests

2018-11-13 03:20:15 UTC  

Germany WAS the birthplace of the revolution after all

2018-11-13 03:21:52 UTC  

Wrong, they purposefully sent Lenin. German papers made available after WWII the German Foreign Secretary at the time of Lenin's passage Richard von Kühlmann said in a letter "I strongly believe that the safe passage of Vladimir Lenin to the Russians will cause a revolution that will result in the utter withdrawal of the war by the Tsar in the process."

2018-11-13 03:22:52 UTC  

"cause a revolution that will result in the utter withdrawal of the war by the Tsar in the process'

2018-11-13 03:22:59 UTC  

That means they wanted them to break the Russian war effort

2018-11-13 03:22:59 UTC  

"utter withdrawal of the war by the Tsar"

2018-11-13 03:23:07 UTC  

" by the Tsar'

2018-11-13 03:23:33 UTC  

You missed the last part @The Big Oof @Silkiri

2018-11-13 03:23:38 UTC  

How

2018-11-13 03:23:39 UTC  

"...in the process"

2018-11-13 03:23:45 UTC  

They intended him to overthrow the Tsar

2018-11-13 03:23:52 UTC  

"in the process of the revolution"

2018-11-13 03:24:02 UTC  

is how I see it being meant to be interpreted

2018-11-13 03:24:09 UTC  

Anon no it doesn't

2018-11-13 03:24:14 UTC  

Yes, it does.

2018-11-13 03:24:34 UTC  

It doesn't imply that they expect them to overthrow the Tsar

2018-11-13 03:24:50 UTC  

Germany wanted Lenin to be in power

2018-11-13 03:24:55 UTC  

According to former professor Albert L. Weeks, Lenin was a Germanophile. Weeks argues that Lenin viewed Germany as the central linchpin to an eventual proletarian revolution. Weeks further discusses the close relations enjoyed between the two nations after World War I, and how this relationship extended back into the 19th century.

2018-11-13 03:25:22 UTC  

Because Lenin had to spend a significant portion of his time in political exile in Germany

2018-11-13 03:25:36 UTC  

and the only real choices of countries he had

2018-11-13 03:25:43 UTC  

Were like Switzerland and Germany

2018-11-13 03:26:00 UTC  

That's just not the case Silk.

2018-11-13 03:26:01 UTC  

If you wanted to get back to Russia in a timely manner if called upon

2018-11-13 03:26:19 UTC  

You can't live out your days in Italy in those times

2018-11-13 03:26:25 UTC  

unless you want to live there permanently

2018-11-13 03:26:39 UTC  

Italy was underdeveloped af

2018-11-13 03:26:45 UTC  

That's not why

2018-11-13 03:26:56 UTC  

Germany fully intended Lenin to win the revolution

2018-11-13 03:27:19 UTC  

Even, EVEN assuming they didnt intend for him to win, its clear from the transcripts that it would've been benefical to Germany either way

2018-11-13 03:27:51 UTC  

It was more like "we need Lenin to cause turmoil, and if he wins, even better"

2018-11-13 03:28:06 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452955229227319306/511744037284216842/unknown.png

2018-11-13 03:30:09 UTC  
2018-11-13 03:30:14 UTC  

We're talking about germany

2018-11-13 03:30:17 UTC  

Yes we are

2018-11-13 03:30:18 UTC  

dont point fingers

2018-11-13 03:30:28 UTC  

oH buT tHeY diD iT tOo

2018-11-13 03:30:38 UTC  

Anon they had to cut a deal with the German Empire

2018-11-13 03:30:45 UTC  

to avoid being overthrown

2018-11-13 03:30:51 UTC  

known as the treaty of brest-livotsk

2018-11-13 03:31:24 UTC  

It's quite obvious the Germans weren't pro Bolshevik

2018-11-13 03:31:59 UTC  

I really recommend you drop this argument as it is pretty much indefensible to take the position that the Germans wanted a Communist revolution