Message from @Silkiri
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Wrong, they purposefully sent Lenin. German papers made available after WWII the German Foreign Secretary at the time of Lenin's passage Richard von Kühlmann said in a letter "I strongly believe that the safe passage of Vladimir Lenin to the Russians will cause a revolution that will result in the utter withdrawal of the war by the Tsar in the process."
"cause a revolution that will result in the utter withdrawal of the war by the Tsar in the process'
That means they wanted them to break the Russian war effort
"utter withdrawal of the war by the Tsar"
" by the Tsar'
You missed the last part @The Big Oof @Silkiri
How
"...in the process"
They intended him to overthrow the Tsar
"in the process of the revolution"
is how I see it being meant to be interpreted
Anon no it doesn't
Yes, it does.
It doesn't imply that they expect them to overthrow the Tsar
Germany wanted Lenin to be in power
According to former professor Albert L. Weeks, Lenin was a Germanophile. Weeks argues that Lenin viewed Germany as the central linchpin to an eventual proletarian revolution. Weeks further discusses the close relations enjoyed between the two nations after World War I, and how this relationship extended back into the 19th century.
Because Lenin had to spend a significant portion of his time in political exile in Germany
and the only real choices of countries he had
Were like Switzerland and Germany
That's just not the case Silk.
You can't live out your days in Italy in those times
unless you want to live there permanently
Italy was underdeveloped af
That's not why
Germany fully intended Lenin to win the revolution
Even, EVEN assuming they didnt intend for him to win, its clear from the transcripts that it would've been benefical to Germany either way
It was more like "we need Lenin to cause turmoil, and if he wins, even better"
@Silkiri and?
We're talking about germany
Yes we are
dont point fingers
oH buT tHeY diD iT tOo
Anon they had to cut a deal with the German Empire
to avoid being overthrown
known as the treaty of brest-livotsk
It's quite obvious the Germans weren't pro Bolshevik
I really recommend you drop this argument as it is pretty much indefensible to take the position that the Germans wanted a Communist revolution
Did you not read what i said?
It was more like "we need Lenin to cause turmoil, and if he wins, even better"