Message from @Doctor Anon

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2018-08-01 09:17:05 UTC  

You shouldn't condemn the entirety of Catholicism because of the actions of evil people within the religions.

2018-08-01 09:17:13 UTC  

again these 2 have nothing to do with apostle succession

2018-08-01 09:17:23 UTC  

Thats the evidence your link gives

2018-08-01 09:17:38 UTC  

"We passed onto you"
"Brothers and sisters"

2018-08-01 09:17:42 UTC  

It addresses everyone

2018-08-01 09:17:45 UTC  

Not one person to keep passing it

2018-08-01 09:18:07 UTC  

As far as i see, so far, the apostle succession theory is still invalid

2018-08-01 09:18:52 UTC  

Acts 1:21-26 New International Version (NIV)

21 Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us,22 beginning from John’s baptismA)" style="font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; vertical-align: top;"> to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witnessB)" style="font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; vertical-align: top;"> with us of his resurrection.”

23 So they nominated two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24 Then they prayed,C)" style="font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; vertical-align: top;"> “Lord, you know everyone’s heart.D)" style="font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; vertical-align: top;"> Show usE)" style="font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; vertical-align: top;"> which of these two you have chosen 25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” 26 Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
This is Acts 1:21-26

2018-08-01 09:19:07 UTC  

reading

2018-08-01 09:19:58 UTC  

Thessalonians is just confirming the importance of Tradition, which apostolic succession is.

2018-08-01 09:20:54 UTC  

The apostles were given very clear offices/positions, by Christ Himself. When there was a vacancy left by Judas, the apostles immediately appointed his successor.

2018-08-01 09:21:38 UTC  

"Apostolic ministry" is pretty clear and unambigous.

2018-08-01 09:21:39 UTC  

It makes it out to keep the 12, 12, until their death, is their any indication, which i am currently unaware of, that they continued this replacing beyond this?

2018-08-01 09:22:56 UTC  

The replacing was simply to keep the 12, until they all died, but i see no current evidence of this going on (in the bible) beyond.

2018-08-01 09:24:04 UTC  

[different topic, but still relevent -----> In 1870 Pope Pius IX proclaimed the principial of Papal Infallibility, This is a blasphemy and the sign of the antichrist predicted by St. Paul]

2018-08-01 09:25:32 UTC  
2018-08-01 09:25:55 UTC  

There's also the number of the beast, 666.

2018-08-01 09:26:10 UTC  

Which, if you take the Pope's title

2018-08-01 09:26:30 UTC  

"VICARIVS FILII DEI."
V-5,
I-1;
C-100,
I-1;
V-S,
I-1;
L-50,
I-1;
I-1
; D-500,
I-l
— Total, 666.

2018-08-01 09:26:31 UTC  

Okay so onto apostolic succession, yes there is historical evidence of this practice written about in the Early Church.

2018-08-01 09:26:44 UTC  

I said mentioned in the bible.

2018-08-01 09:27:08 UTC  

Historical Events are not automatically christian doctrine

2018-08-01 09:27:19 UTC  

"But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul—that church which has the tradition and the faith with which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world. And it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition" 
This is St. Iraneus writing in AD 189

2018-08-01 09:27:25 UTC  

reading

2018-08-01 09:28:11 UTC  

Again, tradition is *not* on equal authority to the bible

2018-08-01 09:28:49 UTC  

And the fact this writing is made by a catholic member, and is extremely egotistical, i consider dangerous behavior.

2018-08-01 09:30:24 UTC  

Please address the papal infallibility and the pope's title "coincidence"

2018-08-01 09:30:52 UTC  

Vicarius Filii Dei is not a title of the Pope, and even if it was, you are just playing games with numbers, many names can add up to 666. Likely 666 was Nero.

2018-08-01 09:30:57 UTC  

(reminder that 75% of roman catholic rituals and traditions are of pagan origin)

2018-08-01 09:31:14 UTC  

papal infallibility

2018-08-01 09:31:39 UTC  

Cardinal Newman, in his book, “The Development of the Christian Religion,” admits that ... “Temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, holidays and season of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), images ... are all of pagan origin...”

2018-08-01 09:32:04 UTC  

Papal infallibility is only invoked when speaking from the Chair of Peter, which connects to the Seat of Moses from the Old Testament. It basically just a guarantee that the Holy Ghost prevents the Church from formally teaching error.

2018-08-01 09:32:26 UTC  

Which i call falsehood on

2018-08-01 09:32:30 UTC  

Lol Cardinal Newman converted to Catholicism and renounced those claims!!!!!

2018-08-01 09:32:42 UTC  

Of course he did

2018-08-01 09:33:20 UTC  

I'm just saying, you should check your source. If even the person who originally wrote it denounced it, would you say it's still credible?

2018-08-01 09:33:50 UTC  

I suppose not

2018-08-01 09:33:54 UTC  

I retrack that claim

2018-08-01 09:34:14 UTC  

The thing is

2018-08-01 09:34:18 UTC  

The Catholic Church is no more

2018-08-01 09:34:31 UTC  

Both Peter and Paul predicted and warned that in the later times "false teachers" would rise within the Church and bring in "damnable heresies" and "doctrines of devils". (Read 2nd Peter 2:1-3, and 1st Timothy 3:2-5)