Message from @Draco

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2018-10-23 17:51:18 UTC  

Do you think pushing something as a slogan though you don't believe in it is untrustworthy?

2018-10-23 17:51:28 UTC  

Because I think it is

2018-10-23 17:51:33 UTC  

Hold up

2018-10-23 17:53:20 UTC  

I see the source of the miscommunication

2018-10-23 17:53:52 UTC  

this theory of this flying suit sounds fantastic
-But Enigmatic, everyone who has tried to fly with that suit has fell and died
that wasnt the real flying suit

2018-10-23 17:54:15 UTC  

That is what I am talking about

2018-10-23 17:54:15 UTC  

I have stubbornly said equality in all circumstances when I should have made clear that I meant the accusation of absolute equality was what I was arguing against, the argument people like JBP present as the stance of Marxism

2018-10-23 17:54:18 UTC  

This is my bad

2018-10-23 17:54:48 UTC  

equality is trying to go against nature, you dont do that

2018-10-23 17:54:55 UTC  

that never ends well

2018-10-23 17:54:56 UTC  

😩

2018-10-23 17:54:58 UTC  

Jordan Peterson also does not say that about Marxism. Cuck Philosophy, I think he was who did that, strawmanned him by taking a quote of him out of context

2018-10-23 17:55:35 UTC  

I did not come to this conclusion from Cuck Philosophy's video, I do watch Jordan himself by himself

2018-10-23 17:55:58 UTC  

you stalk jordan peterson

2018-10-23 17:56:07 UTC  

In the Joe Rogan podcast, Peterson made clear that he was talking about class distinction

2018-10-23 17:56:21 UTC  

joe rogan, jordan peterson
top kek

2018-10-23 17:56:23 UTC  

And on his numerous lectures

2018-10-23 17:56:46 UTC  

What is your position on philosophical idealism?

2018-10-23 17:56:48 UTC  

peterson like everyone else, avoids talking about the root of all problems

2018-10-23 17:56:58 UTC  

usual gatekeeper

2018-10-23 17:57:26 UTC  

Me. I am an idealist

2018-10-23 17:57:30 UTC  

Ah

2018-10-23 17:57:35 UTC  

I see

2018-10-23 17:58:01 UTC  

Well, why don't you tell me about your politics?

2018-10-23 17:58:34 UTC  

Well, I would find myself on Right, I guess. Maybe far Right. Though I don't subscribe to many Right Wing ideas

2018-10-23 17:58:57 UTC  

Okay, so why idealism?

2018-10-23 17:59:30 UTC  

"equality" if anything is based around bringing equality it can only bring people down. Generally there are places you can reduce disadvantage, such as healthcare. But true equality eh. I dont see that happening. Either way what is going on

2018-10-23 18:00:40 UTC  

Because materialism does not explain mind, and Dualism fails to explain Chalmer's Problem

2018-10-23 18:00:43 UTC  

Originally I was stating that Marxism is not about equality, or rather communism. Because as you said, at most equality can only be gained in *some* respect or inequality can only be reduced to some minimums

2018-10-23 18:01:20 UTC  

Materialism in terms of physicalism can explain mind, I would actually say idealism just shifts the question of the mind

2018-10-23 18:01:40 UTC  

marxism isnt about equality?

2018-10-23 18:01:40 UTC  

It cannot. For it to explain that, it would require to explain qualia

2018-10-23 18:01:45 UTC  

And intentionality

2018-10-23 18:02:47 UTC  

As far as mind goes, materialism fails horribly. We have recordings of consciousness long after the cells and neurons go iselectric meaning there are no brainwaves, meaning according to any materialism view, consciousness no longer exists. However there is evidence and quite a few cases of this being the case, this may in fact be the case for NDE's and the whole light phenomena which only 20% of dead experience

2018-10-23 18:02:53 UTC  

the rest come back

2018-10-23 18:02:55 UTC  

No, to be clear equality in some respects can be a result of communism, but Marxism is first and foremost a analytical method, and communism is the result, to which communism seeks to abolish class

2018-10-23 18:06:55 UTC  

Why would Marxism/Communism abolish class? What is wrong with class?

2018-10-23 18:06:58 UTC  

I cna see abolishing class socially, as in the construct of class and the attitudes. However is this good? Is it possible to abolish class physically and materialistically. Is that right in any way? I can see the case for preventing radical materialism and accumulation of absurd wealth, however beyond that?

2018-10-23 18:07:39 UTC  

Personally I do think that money needs to flow, CEO's shouldn't be making say 1000X or 10k times more than the floor worker who can barely get by. This leads to economic issues in and of itself

2018-10-23 18:09:18 UTC  

You mean shouldn't be?

2018-10-23 18:09:42 UTC  

No. I am Right Wing obviously