Message from @Draco

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2018-10-23 17:57:26 UTC  

Me. I am an idealist

2018-10-23 17:57:30 UTC  

Ah

2018-10-23 17:57:35 UTC  

I see

2018-10-23 17:58:01 UTC  

Well, why don't you tell me about your politics?

2018-10-23 17:58:34 UTC  

Well, I would find myself on Right, I guess. Maybe far Right. Though I don't subscribe to many Right Wing ideas

2018-10-23 17:58:57 UTC  

Okay, so why idealism?

2018-10-23 17:59:30 UTC  

"equality" if anything is based around bringing equality it can only bring people down. Generally there are places you can reduce disadvantage, such as healthcare. But true equality eh. I dont see that happening. Either way what is going on

2018-10-23 18:00:40 UTC  

Because materialism does not explain mind, and Dualism fails to explain Chalmer's Problem

2018-10-23 18:00:43 UTC  

Originally I was stating that Marxism is not about equality, or rather communism. Because as you said, at most equality can only be gained in *some* respect or inequality can only be reduced to some minimums

2018-10-23 18:01:20 UTC  

Materialism in terms of physicalism can explain mind, I would actually say idealism just shifts the question of the mind

2018-10-23 18:01:40 UTC  

marxism isnt about equality?

2018-10-23 18:01:40 UTC  

It cannot. For it to explain that, it would require to explain qualia

2018-10-23 18:01:45 UTC  

And intentionality

2018-10-23 18:02:47 UTC  

As far as mind goes, materialism fails horribly. We have recordings of consciousness long after the cells and neurons go iselectric meaning there are no brainwaves, meaning according to any materialism view, consciousness no longer exists. However there is evidence and quite a few cases of this being the case, this may in fact be the case for NDE's and the whole light phenomena which only 20% of dead experience

2018-10-23 18:02:53 UTC  

the rest come back

2018-10-23 18:02:55 UTC  

No, to be clear equality in some respects can be a result of communism, but Marxism is first and foremost a analytical method, and communism is the result, to which communism seeks to abolish class

2018-10-23 18:06:55 UTC  

Why would Marxism/Communism abolish class? What is wrong with class?

2018-10-23 18:06:58 UTC  

I cna see abolishing class socially, as in the construct of class and the attitudes. However is this good? Is it possible to abolish class physically and materialistically. Is that right in any way? I can see the case for preventing radical materialism and accumulation of absurd wealth, however beyond that?

2018-10-23 18:07:39 UTC  

Personally I do think that money needs to flow, CEO's shouldn't be making say 1000X or 10k times more than the floor worker who can barely get by. This leads to economic issues in and of itself

2018-10-23 18:09:18 UTC  

You mean shouldn't be?

2018-10-23 18:09:42 UTC  

No. I am Right Wing obviously

2018-10-23 18:09:46 UTC  

And I want to be clear, class in this sense is not defined by the amount of money one makes, or whether or not a boss exists, bosses are not an issue

2018-10-23 18:10:02 UTC  

I meant the person above said

2018-10-23 18:10:23 UTC  

"CEO's should be making..."

2018-10-23 18:10:35 UTC  

But the context made it sound like they meant to say shouldn't

2018-10-23 18:10:56 UTC  

oh wait they shouldn't

2018-10-23 18:10:57 UTC  

my bad

2018-10-23 18:11:12 UTC  

Is cool, I gotcha dude

2018-10-23 18:11:29 UTC  

I think on this we have common ground

2018-10-23 18:11:46 UTC  

My issue is not people being richer, nor the existence of a boss, but the relationships to production

2018-10-23 18:12:17 UTC  

In some form or fashion working people should have democratic control of their work place and receive in full the value of their labour

2018-10-23 18:12:41 UTC  

That means no boss, lol.

2018-10-23 18:12:50 UTC  

You can elect a boss

2018-10-23 18:12:56 UTC  

Someone's job can be a manager

2018-10-23 18:13:15 UTC  

A boss who is accountable to the workers is ideal

2018-10-23 18:13:21 UTC  

But would you allow him to exercise his power even if he fails a majority test for a specified duration?

2018-10-23 18:13:42 UTC  

Likely he would be replaced

2018-10-23 18:13:59 UTC  

So, he is boss in name only, right? It is more like a direct democratic system

2018-10-23 18:14:06 UTC  

Management is obviously necessary

2018-10-23 18:14:16 UTC  

"in theory" "what it could be" "likely" "possibly"

2018-10-23 18:14:22 UTC  

Yes it is like a direct democratic system