Message from @Bernard

Discord ID: 520633170887180300


2018-12-07 16:09:29 UTC  

It’s not

2018-12-07 16:09:32 UTC  

it is

2018-12-07 16:09:36 UTC  

It is for a start

2018-12-07 16:09:36 UTC  

venezuela is capitalist

2018-12-07 16:09:39 UTC  

lol

2018-12-07 16:09:41 UTC  

No it’s not

2018-12-07 16:09:42 UTC  

For one

2018-12-07 16:09:44 UTC  

workers do not own the means of production

2018-12-07 16:09:46 UTC  

the market does

2018-12-07 16:09:47 UTC  

It’s over controlled by the state

2018-12-07 16:09:51 UTC  

And that’s not how socialism is defined

2018-12-07 16:09:55 UTC  

it is

2018-12-07 16:09:58 UTC  

It’s either collectively owned by the state or workers

2018-12-07 16:09:58 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452955220473806859/520633078939385859/the_opiate_of_the_people.png

2018-12-07 16:09:59 UTC  

And second of all, even though the industry was totally private. Which means not state run and run for profit.

2018-12-07 16:10:01 UTC  

Is socialism

2018-12-07 16:10:01 UTC  

and the state controls it

2018-12-07 16:10:01 UTC  

socialism is when the workers own the means of production

2018-12-07 16:10:05 UTC  

regulation/ownership

2018-12-07 16:10:15 UTC  

Because the state controls the economy through strong intervention

2018-12-07 16:10:20 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452955220473806859/520633170887180293/by-tim-buckley-ahh-my-spoon-www-ctrlaltdel-online-com-33270111.png

2018-12-07 16:10:23 UTC  

Socialism isn’t just when the government regulates companies

2018-12-07 16:10:24 UTC  

Socialism is where the MoP is collectively owned by the stage or workers

2018-12-07 16:10:29 UTC  

I never said that

2018-12-07 16:10:35 UTC  

I said the state over controls the economy

2018-12-07 16:10:41 UTC  

Which it did in nazi Germany and Venezuela

2018-12-07 16:10:43 UTC  

It’s when companies are destroyed and either replaced with state run industries or become worker controlled

2018-12-07 16:10:49 UTC  

And the fact that Venezuela’s economic freedom is below repressed

2018-12-07 16:10:52 UTC  

Preferably the later

2018-12-07 16:10:54 UTC  

Latter*

2018-12-07 16:10:54 UTC  

@Diode or over regulated

2018-12-07 16:10:58 UTC  

>economic """""freedom"""""

2018-12-07 16:10:59 UTC  

which it was

2018-12-07 16:11:02 UTC  

yes economic freedom

2018-12-07 16:11:09 UTC  

It’s not regulating businesses that already existed and were created under capitalism

2018-12-07 16:11:12 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452955220473806859/520633387946475522/image0.jpg

2018-12-07 16:11:13 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452955220473806859/520633389712277552/1543202354251.jpg

2018-12-07 16:11:19 UTC  

doesn’t matter , it was OVER regulated

2018-12-07 16:11:21 UTC  

By the state

2018-12-07 16:11:26 UTC  

Which were exempt from a lot of tax and were given a lot of benefits to keep them on the nazis side

2018-12-07 16:11:26 UTC  

Business freedom would be repressed