Message from @ritasuma

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2018-12-07 21:56:08 UTC  

good point

2018-12-07 21:56:16 UTC  

absolutely no class mobility

2018-12-07 21:56:24 UTC  

if you were born into a serf you would stay that way

2018-12-07 21:56:31 UTC  

yeah, class mobility is unnecessary

2018-12-07 21:56:40 UTC  

I don't like serfdom, however

2018-12-07 21:56:41 UTC  

it leads to stangnation

2018-12-07 21:56:50 UTC  

you lose a lot of intelligent people and have idiots ruling

2018-12-07 21:56:53 UTC  

plus it leads to discontent

2018-12-07 21:56:58 UTC  

and possible riots

2018-12-07 21:57:08 UTC  

in materialist societies, yes

2018-12-07 21:57:39 UTC  

you do realize that class moblitiy is needed to make sure the best are at the top and the worst at the bottom

2018-12-07 21:58:00 UTC  

that's where our main divergances are, it would seem

2018-12-07 21:58:01 UTC  

you would slow down society heavily if you forced scientists to plow fields and idiots work at the lab

2018-12-07 21:58:11 UTC  

class collaboration is better

2018-12-07 21:58:19 UTC  

make the elites answer to the state

2018-12-07 21:58:29 UTC  

meritocracy, nobody is unnaturally held down

2018-12-07 21:58:35 UTC  

or kept up

2018-12-07 21:58:45 UTC  

Heritability of the qualifications of leadership solves this.

2018-12-07 21:58:57 UTC  

each person should be where they are meant to

2018-12-07 21:59:02 UTC  

meritocracy is unstable

2018-12-07 21:59:18 UTC  

heritablity isnt much

2018-12-07 21:59:27 UTC  

I don't like the idea of a state

2018-12-07 21:59:27 UTC  

No, it's unstable because it doesn't truly exist

2018-12-07 21:59:29 UTC  

a lot of monarchies have failed due to the incompetence of their leaders

2018-12-07 21:59:33 UTC  

^

2018-12-07 21:59:46 UTC  

cause mostly competence is a learned factor

2018-12-07 22:00:09 UTC  

internal conflict within the aristocracy adds another factor to their right to rule

2018-12-07 22:00:10 UTC  

It's a combination of it and genetics, but yes

2018-12-07 22:00:19 UTC  

then another thing

2018-12-07 22:00:21 UTC  

without one, you cannot have the other

2018-12-07 22:00:30 UTC  

nobles are breed and born to rule

2018-12-07 22:00:38 UTC  

You may be predisposed to being more competent, but if you are not in the proper environment, you will never be

2018-12-07 22:00:43 UTC  

it's no guarantee

2018-12-07 22:00:45 UTC  

from the moment they can talk to the day they die

2018-12-07 22:00:54 UTC  

Genetics are no guarantee*

2018-12-07 22:01:09 UTC  

they learn how to rule from their parents, who themselves learned how to from theirs

2018-12-07 22:01:23 UTC  

hundreds of generations worth of wisdom

2018-12-07 22:03:21 UTC  

not really

2018-12-07 22:03:38 UTC  

once society expanded the influence of the monarchy severely decreased

2018-12-07 22:03:47 UTC  

because they werent ready to manage at a large scale

2018-12-07 22:07:10 UTC  

@The Big Oof LOL he called Mussolini a free market capitalist