Message from @Lola

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2018-12-12 19:11:15 UTC  

notifying is different from asking permission

2018-12-12 19:11:29 UTC  

@unit how so

2018-12-12 19:11:51 UTC  

Do you think it's reasonable to deny access to family and friends in another country

2018-12-12 19:11:54 UTC  

basically the WPR says that the president has to send a letter to congress 2 days after war starts saying: "oh btw we're at war now, cya later"

2018-12-12 19:12:21 UTC  

Her'es the actually quote

2018-12-12 19:12:26 UTC  

"It provides that the U.S. President can send U.S. Armed Forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, "statutory authorization," or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

2018-12-12 19:12:43 UTC  

Have you ever heard of Berlin Wall, @unit

2018-12-12 19:13:25 UTC  

It wouldn't be reasonable to recreate this kind of situation

2018-12-12 19:13:49 UTC  

```President Obama found an out in the law; namely that he can bypass the requirements of the WPR if the US is not engaged in active "hostilities". This was precisely the position taken by the White House … even though at the time US planes were dropping bombs in Libya, firing missiles from off-shore and, according to some reports, coordinating with British forward air controllers on the ground. Only by the most tortured definition do such actions not qualify as hostilities. Indeed Obama's own office of legal counsel determined that US actions represented "hostilities" and required congressional authorization to continue. They were overruled by the president.``` the article says that even though that there were hostilities, clearly, they found a way of itnerpretation of the definition of "hostilities" that allowed it to be bypassed - a loophole if you will

2018-12-12 19:14:19 UTC  

@Lola yeah it's the Montague's & Capulets all over again, eh?

2018-12-12 19:14:42 UTC  
2018-12-12 19:14:52 UTC  

the real question is: is there political will to actually go after the president for an alleged illegal action? at the time apparently not

2018-12-12 19:14:55 UTC  

"in active "hostilities""

2018-12-12 19:15:01 UTC  

How is that not active hostilities

2018-12-12 19:15:06 UTC  

US planes literally conducting sorties

2018-12-12 19:15:10 UTC  

Similar ScowlToday at 19:14
the real question is: is there political will to actually go after the president for an alleged illegal action? at the time apparently not

2018-12-12 19:15:11 UTC  

ahaha yes

2018-12-12 19:15:12 UTC  

very soon

2018-12-12 19:15:17 UTC  

You would only worsen the situation

2018-12-12 19:15:30 UTC  

the point is that the obama administration found a loophole in the definition

2018-12-12 19:15:38 UTC  

The citizens could turn on the government

2018-12-12 19:15:44 UTC  

that allowed them to argue that it wasnt hostilities

2018-12-12 19:16:44 UTC  

Yes loophole doesn't mean it's legal

2018-12-12 19:16:50 UTC  

I think we'll find out soon enough

2018-12-12 19:16:51 UTC  

but

2018-12-12 19:17:14 UTC  

"this was precisely the position taken by the White House … even though at the time US planes were dropping bombs in Libya, firing missiles from off-shore and, according to some reports, coordinating with British forward air controllers on the ground. Only by the most tortured definition do such actions not qualify as hostilities."

2018-12-12 19:17:16 UTC  

i'd side with you, but obama's legal team found a way to go around the thing lol

2018-12-12 19:17:26 UTC  

hmmm

2018-12-12 19:17:30 UTC  

anyway

2018-12-12 19:18:03 UTC  

wanna see something interesting?

2018-12-12 19:18:08 UTC  

shoot

2018-12-12 19:18:21 UTC  

whats this

2018-12-12 19:18:46 UTC  

read it

2018-12-12 19:18:52 UTC  

Someone high profile has been convicted

2018-12-12 19:18:57 UTC  

and they can't be reported currently

2018-12-12 19:19:02 UTC  

one of many arrests to begin

2018-12-12 19:19:12 UTC  

i think i know about this

2018-12-12 19:19:27 UTC  

i think there is a similar law in the UK

2018-12-12 19:19:45 UTC  

Ah

2018-12-12 19:19:47 UTC  

that basically allows for on going judicial processes to remain secret until they are through