I'm saying that as someone with traditionally very masculine interests and hobbies

Every thing that's natural is fine, if people are not in the "norm" just because they are like that it's totally fine and beautiful. It's not beautiful when it has been pushed on them by 10000 external sources

I wonder who's behind all these external forces 🤔

THE JUUUICEEEE

anyways, we definitely need to find a good people to enter a union with and have lots of children

@IntAnon people hell bent on destroying the civilized western world.

That's the grand scale. If you have a lot of money to pay for it and all that, I'd certainly encourage having a ton of kids, like over 10 as insane as that could sound.

I'll take my example, I have always been extremely feminine since I was very little. At age 14, I saw those cool woman, more androgyne looking and started to be this way for a bit because I saw that it was becoming the norm. Now, I am my feminine self and that's what I feel is natural and I love it

That's nice to hear

@Deleted User hahahaha that's insane

I think this discord server is off to a great and productive start

I think too 😃

it does sound insane but considering what we're facing up against

we need to pick up the slack for all these people who aren't having kids nowadays

Sounds crazy but definitely true

also pick up the slack on bad people having kids making bad kids

part of the reason why I don't want kids is probably my garbage relationship with my own dad

you could learn from that

do right where he did wrong

I can't re-code my brain to make me want kids

@Donut Steel Tendies I have a bad relationship with mine as well. It's all about using it as fuel to have a great relationship with your kids

I jsut can't make myself want that

I'm assuming you're a young guy, maybe 18-25

consider it

Taking the good, leaving the bad

I'm 20

finding the right person I'd even trust is hard enough for me and haveing kids that would rely on me terrifies me

Mine was completely absent from my life, I was raised by my mom who brought several abusive guys in our house. I can tell you that I almost hated men. But that's not the right attitude, our deceptive past can't dictate our future. You should want one day to construct this beautiful family that you wish you had

We are just 20

don't put pressure on yourself right now

I never wished to have a family in the first place

You think loneliness is the solution ?

that's a false dychotomy

I don't need a family to not feel lonely

I understand, you can have friends, relatives,...

in fact many lonely men are married with families

I agree

All the people I know who didn't have kids or a wife are pretty unhappy. Not that I'm saying you need kids to be happy, but I think almost everyone does. Like @Deleted User said, let nature run its course. But be sure its nature and not externalities

It takes a while, but the regret does set in

But finding the right person and starting a life together, I think that's a whole new level of personal hapiness

I think it's best to start on it young, I can understand being weary, but in the long run is better