they lived in less nuclear famlies

and more 'communal living'

I see

this was because communal living was better for the tribal setting

while nuclear family is better for the capitalist setting

this is ultimately what i mean when i say 'the base shapes the superstructure'

I believe it works well under a fascist system as well

And that’s why we value it

It’s also formed from the recent state of the family and how we see it falling apart under this current system which is leading to complications

Which I think helps the drive to protect the nuclear family idea

@GermanEastAfrica so what i want to say is that marxists are not against marriage or family as things people do
but the specific forms of marriage and family inherent to capitalism

@LoJ Wait for the Congress to convene

Like the fact you need a license for marriage

well more like marriage is a way for often men to control women

i.e in feudalistic times

marriage was all about

how can i obtain more land?

yes marry my daugthers off to the rich son of that landowner

Due to the fact that was the only way to have rights

so the very conception of marriage has shifted in society

due to the romanticist movement

marriage has been commodified as well

into the capitalist system

but because marriage still came from that feudalistic kind of thinking it still remains an reactionary element and only serves to hold certain groups down.

My view on marriage and the role of the mother is that it’s alright for the woman to get a job but she should not be shamed into never getting married

The owner rn is thinking about president's rights

@GermanEastAfrica the observation i've made of capitalist society is that we commodified marriage such that women are kinda shamed if they aren't married and have children.

I see things the opposite ways nowadays

Two different looks at the same mirror I suppose

Woah, a Fascist and a Communist are having a rational conversation. Thats cool to see.

It's a rarity nowadays

A very delicate thing indeed

@Sarge I only debate civilly with a few of the fash because most of them aren't very nice to talk to in the first place 👍🏿

@LoJ He owns the server, we can't do anything about it. But he promised to consider our suggestions.

Understandable.

I can agree that some of my colleagues can be a bit... much

@GermanEastAfrica most of the time i don't attack fascism at all
I only come in when the fash are shitting on marxism.

I think we should stop calling each other the dash and commies

Makes it seem like they aren’t worth respect

it's also annoying when i've explained marxist stuff for the 4th time in a row and people don't get it smh

I certainly respect your sides debating skills and stamina for discussion and I have learned much